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Chris in London said:
Of course it’s a political decision. However it’s also a power vested in the crown, and like all such powers it’s got to be exercised within the limits prescribed by law. Or did you think that because it’s a political decision that prevents the laws that govern the other 65 million people in this country from applying to BJ?

As to your opinion, just imagine they were firing up the Large Hadron Collider at CERN and were wondering what settings to use. Should they go to the top eleven physicists they have and ask them, or go to someone whose qualifications to opine on the matter consist solely of their membership of the human race?
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I'll file that under, and I'll be charitable, "stupid".

You seem to have forgotten, this is a football forum, where guess what, people get to express their *opinions*. And you don't get to repress opinions mate, just because you don't agree with them. Get over it.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Good post

It is right and proper to hold different views - I respect your right to hold yours....

The 2nd part of your post - from "I no longer have confidence......" is really interesting for me.

I can see why there is concern for you - but for me therein is the hope - as I see it - for the UK’s future prosperity.
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So you are basing your hope on Tory Government lead by Johnson delivering the UK's future prosperity?
I thought you didn't rate Johnson.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I'll file that under, and I'll be charitable, "stupid".

You seem to have forgotten, this is a football forum, where guess what, people get to express their *opinions*. And you don't get to repress opinions mate, just because you don't agree with them. Get over it.
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No, I just get to call it out when people who should know better spout shite about stuff they dont understand. Like you did. Get over it.

It isn’t an area on which opinions based on inadequate understanding have any validity. Like the settings on the large hadron collider, as you yourself pointed out only the other day. So yes you’re entitled to your opinion like flat earthers are entitled to theirs. On this issue in particular in terms of their validity they’re pretty much on a par.
 
mcfc1632 said:
I personally don't think he will - but their nervousness is palpable
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I don't think Johnson can last long at this rate. Just too much problems in too short a time and some of them really hard to forgive.

And besides all things, i think he really ought to be a bit scared for his position seeing what he did with that purge of his. I'm not sure if all conservatives rate this matter like i do as to how bad it is, but look at it like this: what if there was a player in youre favourite football team that caused so much issue's that as to accomodate him it would require that several players leave among those a few of the teams star players. That is bad stuff especially "for the team". I'm pretty sure that even in the conservative party perhaps especially those who "felt the intimidation of the whips" arn't nessecarily all that happy for the decission they needed to take AND if Johnson can aquire his power within the conservative party in such a way (when May was down) then why wouldn't someone else use the same tactic when Johnson is obviously weak?
 
Chippy_boy said:
I'll file that under, and I'll be charitable, "stupid".

You seem to have forgotten, this is a football forum, where guess what, people get to express their *opinions*. And you don't get to repress opinions mate, just because you don't agree with them. Get over it.
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You can express whatever opinions you want. We all need a laugh sometimes.
 
Chris in London said:
No, I just get to call it out when people who should know better spout shite about stuff they dont understand. Like you did. Get over it.

It isn’t an area on which opinions based on inadequate understanding have any validity. Like the settings on the large hadron collider, as you yourself pointed out only the other day. So yes you’re entitled to your opinion like flat earthers are entitled to theirs. On this issue in particular in terms of their validity they’re pretty much on a par.
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Yes, but this Hadron Collider goes up to eleven.
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Chris in London said:
Of course it’s a political decision. However it’s also a power vested in the crown, and like all such powers it’s got to be exercised within the limits prescribed by law. Or did you think that because it’s a political decision that prevents the laws that govern the other 65 million people in this country from applying to BJ?

As to your opinion, just imagine they were firing up the Large Hadron Collider at CERN and were wondering what settings to use. Should they go to the top eleven physicists they have and ask them, or go to someone whose qualifications to opine on the matter consist solely of their membership of the human race?
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I think this point gets right to the heart of the situation we are in right now, people are simply not willing to accept that whilst they are entitled to their opinions, their opinions often mean jack shit when it comes to other more knowledgeable opinions, and they don't like it. This whole Gove "we don't trust experts" bullshit. When the referendum vote happened, the UK government had 5 employees who had the expertise to work on international trade agreements. Five. But my mother in law reckons she's an expert now on intra-EU trade, primarily from reading crap off the internet, and gets really pissy if you try and tell her that maybe her opinion isn't correct. So we have a nation of self confirmed experts who refuse to back down from their positions, and who shout and scream a lot if anyone disagrees with them. How the fuck do we fix this? The problem isn't boris johnson, jeremy corbyn or david cameron, it's us.

(Full Disclosure. I watched the documentary 'the great hack' last night which has left me deeply depressed at just how fucked up social media has caused things to get)
 
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hilts said:
Lied on a train, lied about a mural, lied about laying a wreath, lied about saying a50 should be invoked,lied about polls,lied about party membership,lied about his further education.lied about the extent of anti semitism etc.........
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In summary...….

He's a liar - but it is strange how being honest about that is difficult for some.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Telegraph reports Johnson to reveal to EU leaders his final Brexit plan within 24 hours - ...... brace yourselves folks here comes the stop back
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It's an omnishambles. Here is a scenario that is best answered by Scots and Irish readers. There will have to be an election some day, but if the votes are counted and the Tory right wingers plus Brexit have a minority government in the Commons, what would the price of this impasse be? What if Nicola Sturgeon puts a Scottish referendum request forward as a way out in support of the SNP 'abstaining' in any Brexit vote? If this was granted and independance was voted for, to which the SNP would apply for EU membership for Scotland, then how would this affect Northern Ireland as their own position is to remain in the UK? If Scotland becomes a separate nation in it's own right, and with the Irish Sea being quoted as a barrier to trade to satisfy EU rules, how would the province then trade 'freely' to satisfy the rules already in place?
 
Vic said:
What is wrong with you?

I asked a simple question seeking clarity. You refused to answer. Now you say you were clear. From that, I can only assume I was right and you think there is no solution that does not breach the GFA.

Brexit has certainly made me intolerant of idiocy and rudeness.
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As I said - Brexit has done something to you

Just my opinion - but your posts are increasingly less of interest and increasingly just more of the standard of pack members

Now I know that will provoke the same old same old attacks at me - but heh I do not post on here to satisfy the demands of those that just play games.

I am hoping to see events fall so that Brexit gets done - I am not very hopeful but I am more hopeful than I was

The next couple of weeks will be decisive I think and that holds more interest to me
 
I'm no cynic but... said:
It's an omnishambles. Here is a scenario that is best answered by Scots and Irish readers. There will have to be an election some day, but if the votes are counted and the Tory right wingers plus Brexit have a minority government in the Commons, what would the price of this impasse be? What if Nicola Sturgeon puts a Scottish referendum request forward as a way out in support of the SNP 'abstaining' in any Brexit vote? If this was granted and independance was voted for, to which the SNP would apply for EU membership for Scotland, then how would this affect Northern Ireland as their own position is to remain in the UK? If Scotland becomes a separate nation in it's own right, and with the Irish Sea being quoted as a barrier to trade to satisfy EU rules, how would the province then trade 'freely' to satisfy the rules already in place?
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If its a tory minority then there is no way the SNP or Liberals would put Johnson in Downing St. A deal on on an independence referendum or not. If there are more tories than Labour but not enough for a majority my guess is Corbyn would need to go and a deal would be done between Labour and either SNP or Liberals. There would then probably be a second EU referendum before any Scottish one.
There is no way the SNP could try and justify supporting Johnson or a hard Brexit even by abstaining, they would lose all credibility in Scotland if they lifted the littlest of fingers to help Johnson.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
I'm certainly a problem. Either Remain or a Canada type deal. Any Brexit light is a waste of time and certainly makes us rule takers. My preference remains revoke A 50.
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So does mine, but a 'stupid' Norway style deal, is much better than the ideas proposed by the Conservative Party.

Remaining makes much more sense but that would be 'undemocratic' wheras forcing about 15 million out of 17 to 'do Norway' is apparently a nice compromise, so I'm in.
 
I'm no cynic but... said:
It's an omnishambles. Here is a scenario that is best answered by Scots and Irish readers. There will have to be an election some day, but if the votes are counted and the Tory right wingers plus Brexit have a minority government in the Commons, what would the price of this impasse be? What if Nicola Sturgeon puts a Scottish referendum request forward as a way out in support of the SNP 'abstaining' in any Brexit vote? If this was granted and independance was voted for, to which the SNP would apply for EU membership for Scotland, then how would this affect Northern Ireland as their own position is to remain in the UK? If Scotland becomes a separate nation in it's own right, and with the Irish Sea being quoted as a barrier to trade to satisfy EU rules, how would the province then trade 'freely' to satisfy the rules already in place?
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What if...,,
All of the EU joins the UK?
 
mcfc1632 said:
As I said - Brexit has done something to you

Just my opinion - but your posts are increasingly less of interest and increasingly just more of the standard of pack members

Now I know that will provoke the same old same old attacks at me - but heh I do not post on here to satisfy the demands of those that just play games.

I am hoping to see events fall so that Brexit gets done - I am not very hopeful but I am more hopeful than I was

The next couple of weeks will be decisive I think and that holds more interest to me
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I see. Anything rather than answer a simple question.
 
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