Zagreb fans behaviour

guys.. nazi salutes arent okay.. but in 99 % its only provocation...
 
From experience be careful in Croatia. Ensure you have the best insurance you can, in fact check out specific travel insurance for that place. See if anyone does it.
 
HajdukSplit said:
guys.. nazi salutes arent okay.. but in 99 % its only provocation...
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Provoking what exactly ? I couldn't give a toss if they want to disgrace themselves doing that, and it certainly isn't going to provoke me.

As it happens, we met three of the Dinamo fans in the City centre asking for directions, and mostly walked to the ground with them, they were fine, obviously enjoying a euro away tie as many of us have. I was a bit disappointed with their numbers to be honest, 3rd level empty, and though we could hear them, we didn't see any of the goings on with seats etc.

I'd say that pissed up idiot, is a pissed up idiot, no matter what colour they wear, and I've seen plenty of our own be a disgrace over the years, including throwing seats and beer bottles (last year even).
 
purplenose said:
I would recommend you do visit. Its a lovely place, as I am lead to believe is much of Eastern Europe and certainly the whole Balkan peninsula.

Yes I do think Britain has gone down the pan, and for many different reasons. Were my health and finances to allow I would certainly consider moving away. I have and will continue to tell my kids that they should at least keep an open mind to making their future elsewhere as I am not convinced our country will get any better...just my opinion.

There is no doubt some of the Zagreb lot behaved appallingly last night and need calling out on it. It does however make me sick how we Brits seem to think we are superior and should preach to others how they should conduct their affairs.

Statististics back up my claim that in most of Eastern Europe you are far safer and there are far less drug and alcohol fuelled louts mugging and knifing and indeed bombing people. People have more courtesy and the young have far more respect for their elders. As I say I watched the game last night in a bar full of Croats and could not have been made more welcome. Back home in Nantwich I have been threatened in the pubs by both Liverpool and rag fans when watching City games.

No excuse for kicking off light last night but there are more at home who see it as acceptable than ever there are in other countries and whilst they may not make Nazi salutes their behaviuor is just as bad if not worse and certainly more common place.
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Thanks for your helpful reply. I can see why you like Croatia and I’m sure most of the people are great. I would have liked to be going to the return game but my money is going on the trip to Italy for the Bergamo game.

That said, i do think most place in Britain are pretty good. Also, it’s a bit difficult to compare aggression in a pub in Nantwich (and even knife crime problems) with a Country that’s been at War in our fairly recent memory. I hope all those troubles are in the past.

Yes we’ve got idiots too. However, as well as the many decent fans Zagreb will have, they do seem to have some paramilitary style hooligans the kinds of which we don’t have to deal with here.
 
cleavers said:
Provoking what exactly ? I couldn't give a toss if they want to disgrace themselves doing that, and it certainly isn't going to provoke me.

As it happens, we met three of the Dinamo fans in the City centre asking for directions, and mostly walked to the ground with them, they were fine, obviously enjoying a euro away tie as many of us have. I was a bit disappointed with their numbers to be honest, 3rd level empty, and though we could hear them, we didn't see any of the goings on with seats etc.

I'd say that pissed up idiot, is a pissed up idiot, no matter what colour they wear, and I've seen plenty of our own be a disgrace over the years, including throwing seats and beer bottles (last year even).
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Provocation is as usaual part if terraces culture.. When Everton played in Split, the toffies singing about "serbia"... In generel is in England the prokaion level high...bmg fan in your stadion were also suprised how normal family guys near guest sector shopw ahte tu guest and provokate , i saw this in man city and when i was everton with hajduk... in germany you wont see that... no matter which dangerous place you meet: dresen, rostock.. magdeburg.. no one arund guest sector provokate... they ignore guests...

1500 dinamo fans are okay... the fanscene is nearly death...as hajdk fan i hate them but i see the facts... many years boykott, war with own president.. this that.. they are far from old level.... hajudk is number 1 in croatia.. you had sometimes matchdays were hajudk havea one match more visitors than rest of croatia on same day together.
sorry for my bad english
 
purplenose said:
Portugal you say! Love the place of there in a few weeks myself!

May I suggest however that you burn your passport and stay in the shit tip twat infested hovel of a country that we have to call home. Portugal does not need Polluting with pillocks with your views.

Your comments on Croatia are absolute uneducated drivel the prove you are no better than the idiots that showed up at the Etihad last night. Croatia is a fantastic country in so many ways vastly superior to the UK. The people are fantastic welcoming generous and hospitable. Many of them have experienced the kind of shit you cannot begin to imagine.

There is no excuse for what went on last night and I guarantee you the loons who are in this country are a tiny minority af the population compared to what our country can exhibit in holiday resorts across the continent each summer. I am currently in Croatia where I have been four times and will come many more times. You can walk the streets in safety here unlike most towns and cities in the UK.

You need to get an education and be embarrassed and ashamed to have posted such absolute utter drivel.
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Wow, my off the cuff comment seemingly touched a nerve. One that provoked you to come out with some classic drivel of your own. Pillock.
 
gkmcfc said:
I find most European fans boring as fuck. No reaction to the game, repetitive, no spontaneity - just tedious
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This is what some Europeans think of us, not a lot of love lost really.

You can buy a team, a dream, and a title, but you can't buy a crowd, or a party. Manchester City's ground on European nights seems to contain as much spirit as Napoleon's retreat from Moscow.


Either the City fans from Maine Road have become dispossessed, or Roy Keane's Prawn Sandwich Brigade now occupy the joint.

Fans of City have quickly become spoiled. It is quite astonishing to accept that the City's fans can't take to a match with a side such as AS Roma.

It seems that they turn up, expect to be entertained and expect their players to win because they are the wealthiest club in the world.

https://www.eurosport.co.uk/all-spo...s-manchester-city-fans_sto4706613/story.shtml
 
agree.. i honestly dont know why english fans think nowadays that europian ultra scene is boring... england in 70s and 80s was cool. nowadays too modern footbakl
 
mexico1970 said:
This is what some Europeans think of us, not a lot of love lost really.

You can buy a team, a dream, and a title, but you can't buy a crowd, or a party. Manchester City's ground on European nights seems to contain as much spirit as Napoleon's retreat from Moscow.


Either the City fans from Maine Road have become dispossessed, or Roy Keane's Prawn Sandwich Brigade now occupy the joint.

Fans of City have quickly become spoiled. It is quite astonishing to accept that the City's fans can't take to a match with a side such as AS Roma.

It seems that they turn up, expect to be entertained and expect their players to win because they are the wealthiest club in the world.

https://www.eurosport.co.uk/all-spo...s-manchester-city-fans_sto4706613/story.shtml
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Not one fuck is given
 
mexico1970 said:
This is what some Europeans think of us, not a lot of love lost really.

You can buy a team, a dream, and a title, but you can't buy a crowd, or a party. Manchester City's ground on European nights seems to contain as much spirit as Napoleon's retreat from Moscow.


Either the City fans from Maine Road have become dispossessed, or Roy Keane's Prawn Sandwich Brigade now occupy the joint.

Fans of City have quickly become spoiled. It is quite astonishing to accept that the City's fans can't take to a match with a side such as AS Roma.

It seems that they turn up, expect to be entertained and expect their players to win because they are the wealthiest club in the world.

https://www.eurosport.co.uk/all-spo...s-manchester-city-fans_sto4706613/story.shtml
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Fancy turning up and wanting to be entertained.
 
It's a lovely country full of beautiful places and really friendly people. Unfortunately it is also a hotbed for racist nutters, especially at the football. A lot of eastern European countries are.

Don't let that put you off from visiting. There's ****s everywhere.

Wouldn't want to live there full time though. 3rd world in parts.
 
HajdukSplit said:
agree.. i honestly dont know why english fans think nowadays that europian ultra scene is boring... england in 70s and 80s was cool. nowadays too modern footbakl
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HajdukSplit said:
agree.. i honestly dont know why english fans think nowadays that europian ultra scene is boring... england in 70s and 80s was cool. nowadays too modern footbakl
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Almost all the blues I know are as loyal and passionate as any fans I've met at home or abroad.
You don't need to act like extras in a Radio Ga-Ga video to be passionate.
With success comes a difficulty to raise the atmosphere for the so called lesser games but the Etihad can be a cauldron of noise when the occasion demands.
 
Manchester33 said:
I actually thought their support was pretty good. Unwelcoming, loud and organised... I don't mind a bit of hostility in football as long as it doesn't cross the line. Just a shame they ruin it with Nazi salutes and getting their chippy tits out and launching things.

So so funny when they thought they looked dead tough with their shirts off, only for half the Etihad to start laughing at them.
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What's good about a 30 minute rendition of 'Dinamo Dinamo Dinamo Dinamo Dinamo Dinamo Dinamo Dinamo Dinamo Dinamo Dinamo Dinamo Dinamo Dinamo Dinamo Dinamo Dinamo Dinamo
 
I'm no stranger to witnessing violence and hooliganism in the 70's and 80's and as everyone knows it was far worse then than what it is today. Since we moved to the Etihad I stand at the end of a row in 111 right next to the segregation barrier, so I am as well qualified as anyone to comment upon last night and give it some context. I've witnessed within touching distance every group of away fans at the Etihad, whether they be rags, scousers, cockneys, Welsh, Scottish or indeed foreign fans from Italy, Poland or Eastern Europe. So here is my two pence worth on last night.
Whilst the Zagrab fans last night aren't even close to being as violent as it once was, they were by far the worse that I have seen at the Etihad, and I've seen every single one of the away fans followings. Right from kick off they were aggressive and intimidating, particularly those next to me at the bottom corner near East Stand 111. This was made worse in that particular section due to the fact that one particular City fan was openly wearing an Hadjuk Split football shirt, Zagrebs hated rivals, only a few yards away from the segregation barrier. This provocative act certainly had its desired effect to the already boisterous and aggressive Zagreb fans near to us in 111. The missiles were thrown initially towards this fan but many innocents were hit in the barrage. I was hit on the head with a lighter and numerous coins, together with being hit on the head by a seat which also broke my spectacles as they were hit and fell on the floor. I collected six euro coins and handed them to a senior Showsec steward to aid his memory and include it in any post match report or debriefing he may do.
After around 15 minutes two plain clothes police from Zagreb informed Showsec stewards and the six or so GMP officers there of the offending shirt and he subsequently put his coat on before eventually moving away from the area. It was obvious that the situation could easily have got out of hand, not just near us but almost everywhere along all the segregation lines around their fans. The Showsec stewards were out of their depth and comfort zone, as the majority on duty were either young girls or young lads, more used to working pop bands at the MEN Arena, than boisterous Eastern European football ultras. There were a total of six GMP officers without riot gear near to us and a further nine dotted around the other segregation lines. This was clearly insufficient to control the Zagreb fans, who by now were openly drinking, smoking, kicking seats, spitting, throwing seats and generally behaving aggressively without any form of intervention whatsoever. The game was 70 minutes old before 15 GMP officers arrived near to 111 to stand on the segregation line properly kitted out in helmets and the like. Even then they deliberately refused to remove any Zagreb fan displaying threatening behaviour, making Nazi salutes, or indeed the customary "offering out" of our fans. There were no takers from our side, whether this was due to a lack of "back up numbers" or from seeing sense.
After 30 minutes or so, missiles were still being sporadically launched, my 22 year old son was hit on the temple by a flying seat. My other son, 24, stood next to his brother and directly behind me, quite rightly had seen and had enough, not just his Dad and brother being hit on the head with seats, but by GMP's authoritative attitude towards us and not towards the Zagreb fans. He became verbally aggressive and kicked at his seat in frustration, at the complete lack of control shown by the stewards and GMP. But guess what? All of a sudden a couple of GMP officers decided to show a bit of authority and got another couple of GMP officers ready to throw out (arrest maybe?) my two sons and myself for what can only be described as us showing frustration at the events, not even showing meek retaliation. To avoid being thrown out or arrested or seriously hurt by flying coins and seats, I had to tell my two sons to leave the area minutes before half time. I too decided it best to leave the area so watched the rest of the game from near the back of the stand.
All this leaves a few questions needing to be answered. Why were there NO Police manning the segregation lines at the beginning of the match? Why were there insufficient numbers of Police on the segregation lines throughout the whole game? Why did it take 70 minutes before 15 Police dressed appropriately in riot gear, arrive at the volatile area near to 111? Why did GMP Police only act against City fans who had reacted to being hit with missiles, or covered in spit and piss? The Police were clearly outnumbered and ill prepared and it was no wonder they refused to control the Zagreb fans, clearly refusing to go in amongst the Zagreb fans for fear of their own safety and/or further inciting the already volatile away fans atmosphere.
These questions need answering because without doubt, if the Zagreb fans near to us in 111 really wanted to jump over the segregating barrier, then they could have easily done so. No doubt much fisticuffs would then have resulted and quite a few innocent City fans would have sustained injury. We have all seen pockets of European fans over the years in "our ends" at the Etihad and we have all seen rowdy and boisterous European away fans along the segregation lines. Unfortunately UEFA and the GMP will not learn or heed the warnings from last night and previous. It is unfortunately only a matter of time before it does "kick off" properly. Apologies for the long post.
 
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