Yes and the DUP will be dropped if he achieves his goal of gaining enough of the BXP vote to get a majority in Parliament on his own.Yes but Johnson has come up with a great deal that everyone can get behind....
...except ROI, EU, All NI parties apart from DUP, Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Independent former Tories, PC, Greens and even frog faced Farage.
Next year. maybe.
Weren't you another one saying how everything was ruined with 'no deal' being off the table etc etc ?
Makes you wonder how big the bribe is.Yes and the DUP will be dropped if he achieves his goal of gaining enough of the BXP vote to get a majority in Parliament on his own.
There’s differing opinions on what he does with that majority but if he chooses to have you leave immediately without a deal, then the DUP will be far worse off and will not be able to stop a border poll under the GFA.
I’d be careful of the company they are keeping if I was them.
It may have aims to become federal... but if it trys to we have a veto until that point we could stay in and then if they want to go in a different direction we step away with their blessing and a really good deal
Its called 'STRATEGY' ... and a plan ... and negotiation .... not the dash into the abyss that we are currently headed for
In the process of formulating a mcfc1632 bingo card .... Might need a bit more research or the game will be over in 2 pages every morning :)Now you're talking - if only you understood the words;-)
It's not just the GFA, Johnson's deal leaves a potentially permanent backdoor into the EU, there's no way they could say yes to that. All this talk of getting parliament onside is just smoke and mirrors as they know the EU has to say no to it. Leavers need to remember, Johnson wrote two letters prior to the referendum and wasn't sure which route he was going to take. He is not a leaver, he is a only interested in remaining (pardon the pun) in power and will whip up the leave crowd with his bullshit to achieve that. Please see through it.
Fair enough, it's hard to keep up with everyone's stance on here sometimes.Irrelevant to me as I’ve stated on here several times that I won’t be voting for him in a GE
Unfettered backstop, viable No Deal option, political will to use it, sycophants, pack, imho, proper, crack on, soooooooo.In the process of formulating a mcfc1632 bingo card .... Might need a bit more research or the game will be over in 2 pages every morning :)
There’s one or two who don’t fall into that category...Fair enough, it's hard to keep up with everyone's stance on here sometimes.
Unfettered backstop, viable No Deal option, political will to use it, sycophants, pack, imho, proper, crack on, soooooooo.
Did I mention unfettered backstop?
Rinse and repeat ad nauseam.
Make sure you get 'the pack' in there. Love that.In the process of formulating a mcfc1632 bingo card .... Might need a bit more research or the game will be over in 2 pages every morning :)
I watched and thought whoever the Tory minister was got plenty of leeway to basically deny that what Johnson says in public and what was actually presented in their paper, were at odds with each other.Newsnight echo chamber for our continental friends and partners:
BoJo's "Singapore on Thames"
"he's Winston Churchill - he needs an enemy and it's the EU"
"their (UK) objective is to destroy our single market"
I watched and thought whoever the Tory minister was got plenty of leeway to basically deny that what Johnson says in public and what was actually presented in their paper, were at odds with each other.
You probably don’t get BBC NI over there but I watched The View afterwards and found it quite disturbing TBH.
There was an interview with Geoffrey Donaldson and quite frankly it beggars belief the treachery of what has been schemed up between Johnson and the DUP.
Basically every other body, political, including the UUP, business, agriculture and logistical think this proposal is worse for them than a no deal, and his answer is that they’re entitled to their opinion.
It was put to him that the consent they talk about having enshrined is them having a veto in the Assembly but none of the other parties have that veto now as the Assembly isn’t up and running.
And this treachery pretty much insures that it won’t be anytime soon.
The PSNI say they will not man border patrols if customs check points are introduced.
A Queens University Expert agreeing that this is a dangerous route to take and the panel pretty much agreeing that this is a real danger to the GFA.
At this stage I’d take no deal and see the breakup of the UK as an option.
NI have their referendum in conjunction with a Scottish one and let England and Wales get on with it.
If the Welsh Assembly could exclude English settlers from voting, independence might win.I watched and thought whoever the Tory minister was got plenty of leeway to basically deny that what Johnson says in public and what was actually presented in their paper, were at odds with each other.
You probably don’t get BBC NI over there but I watched The View afterwards and found it quite disturbing TBH.
There was an interview with Geoffrey Donaldson and quite frankly it beggars belief the treachery of what has been schemed up between Johnson and the DUP.
Basically every other body, political, including the UUP, business, agriculture and logistical think this proposal is worse for them than a no deal, and his answer is that they’re entitled to their opinion.
It was put to him that the consent they talk about having enshrined is them having a veto in the Assembly but none of the other parties have that veto now as the Assembly isn’t up and running.
And this treachery pretty much insures that it won’t be anytime soon.
The PSNI say they will not man border patrols if customs check points are introduced.
A Queens University Expert agreeing that this is a dangerous route to take and the panel pretty much agreeing that this is a real danger to the GFA.
At this stage I’d take no deal and see the breakup of the UK as an option.
NI have their referendum in conjunction with a Scottish one and let England and Wales get on with it.
Ha ha - Let's just agree to disagree - I will take comfort in being right though.Yes I know how an 'unfettered backstop' would actually be used.
It would be used to keep us tied to EU rules, until a solution is found to the Irish border problem.
As no solution will be found, we would be stuck indefinitely.
If however a genuine solution was miraculously found, ( not a Bullshit Bozo pretend solution) then it would require the EU, to get rid of the backstop.
Should they fail to do so, under those circumstances, they would be acting in bad faith & could have no complainst if we behaved just as badly.
They say ignorance is bliss - I am not convincedIt has aims to become federal, and I don't want to see a federalised Europe.
Good enough for you?
If the Welsh Assembly could exclude English settlers from voting, independence might win.
Actually, if we could separate Remain England from Leave England I'd vote for Remainerland. Businesses could choose which they were in, so Leavelanders would keep Wetherspoons and JCB and Dyson. Great if you want to knock down a restaurant (cos you can't get the staff) and clean up after.
We get Pret of course.
To avoid a no deal outcome?Why should Ireland ‘compromise’ on anything?