Another new Brexit thread

[George Hannah]

Farage has started to call out Johnson on Twitter and LBC, cannot see that happening now.

Farage is basically no deal or bust and I don't think Johnson could get away with that

After October 31 Farage will be helping a dazed BoJo out of his ditch, wait and see

 

[Metal Biker]

Because its not about leaving the Eu .... its about a hard Brexit.... loss of workers rights , de regulation , privatisation of the NHS , Collapse of the welfare state etc

Its the Conservative agenda

Which can be silenced by a unified approach to brexit. Finding that compromise that lessens the extremists agendas, on both sides, to find a common ground supported by the majority.

Do you want an end to this saga? Do you want to reach a compromise with those of us who want brexit concluded? I've offered EFTA membership, something the EU themselves advocated and offered at the start of the negotiations. Bleating about what the Conservatives want isn't furthering debate. We know what the Conservatives want, and we know how to combat it. I'm not hearing any other workable solutions.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

After October 31 Farage will be helping a dazed BoJo out of his ditch, wait and see

Really can't see it but the last 3 years or so have taught me never say never about anything in politics so who knows

 

[Metal Biker]

In fairness to MB he is the only Leave advocate on here that I can think of off the top of my head that has consistently offered a genuine compromise that does not completely screw over the people of Northern Ireland.
It may or may not be a pipe dream but at least he is not win at all costs, no matter who you screw.

Cheers bruh.

Even before the vote was made I was advocating leaving the EU to join the EFTA. "EU-lite". My stance increased (became more brexity) at times when I saw what some MP's were trying to disregard my vote, of that i'll admit, but i've always held steadfast to that core belief that the UK must leave the EU. In whatever capacity, i'm fine with. EFTA/EEA is acceptible to me.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Which can be silenced by a unified approach to brexit. Finding that compromise that lessens the extremists agendas, on both sides, to find a common ground supported by the majority.

Do you want an end to this saga? Do you want to reach a compromise with those of us who want brexit concluded? I've offered EFTA membership, something the EU themselves advocated and offered at the start of the negotiations. Bleating about what the Conservatives want isn't furthering debate. We know what the Conservatives want, and we know how to combat it. I'm not hearing any other workable solutions.

There are other workable solutions and they were mentioned three years ago as consequences of where you were going with this.
The Break up of the UK.

 

[Metal Biker]

There are other workable solutions and they were mentioned three years ago as consequences of where you were going with this.
The Break up of the UK.

EFTA membership means no break up and honouring the GFA. In my eyes it's the best solution that honours the result of the referendum.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

EFTA membership means no break up and honouring the GFA. In my eyes it's the best solution that honours the result of the referendum.

I'm not advocating the break up of the union, just saying it is an alternative. It may be an unfortunate consequence of whatever action is eventually taken, particularly No Deal.
I've stated all along I would hate to see an All-Ireland referendum prematurely put to the people North and South as a result of Brexit. It will cause more problems.

 

[Vic]

Corbyn and his Communist union sponsors are not capable of leading the Labour Party anywhere near power via a GE. There are unfettered capitalists on each side of the channel but our lot are divided between those who want to embraced by the mighty USA and its cohorts and those whose financial interests lie principally with our continental friends and allies.
We're headed inexorably for a No Deal - BoJo/Farage Axis and the only hope of rescue is the announcement this morning that Rory Stewart has resigned from the Tory Party - watch this space!

I hope like Tony Benn (was it?) he's giving up being an MP so he can concentrate on politics.

 

[hgblue]

I'm not advocating the break up of the union, just saying it is an alternative. It may be an unfortunate consequence of whatever action is eventually taken, particularly No Deal.
I've stated all along I would hate to see an All-Ireland referendum prematurely put to the people North and South as a result of Brexit. It will cause more problems.

Yep, Unionists dragged out of the union against their will should lead to peace and harmony on the island of Ireland. Got to be preferable to reaching a sensible compromise with the evil Brits, yes?

 

[Vic]

You're disagreeing with the former President of the EFTA now? EFTA members are open to join and leave the EEA without consultation of it's other members. EFTA/EEA has already been accepted as the workable solution to the GFA as the EFTA has agreements with the EU that satisfies. No breakup of union, no longer a member of the EU.

But you keep trying to denigrate EFTA as the only workable option. It's cute. Because given the perameters you've highlighted, how on earth does remaining in the EU solve anything?

I thought most of the Remainers here would happily accept EFTA as the solution. It's your vain hope that it might be acceptable that we're denigrating.

 

[BobKowalski]

So join my side and help to convince them. Not all Tories are ERG's.

We need a compromise, EFTA is that compromise. It keeps us close to Europe, but out of the EU, honours the referendum result, and the GFA. Even Fargy Bargy at the start was advocating it as a temporary arrangement upon leaving, so it's not like the hard brexit supporters who advocate him can complain.

It's not going to be to everyone's tastes; those who want a clean break or those who want to be part of the EU as a member, but if a compromise beign sought is where we're at, EFTA provides a solution to all the problems people keep raising. All we need is for a majority of MP's to know that we, the public, support it. It's an option, is what i'm promoting, and one worth looking into and making more public.

The chance to catch that ship sailed in late 2016 when May got up and said ‘Brexit means Brexit’ and ‘out’ means out of everything. The Tories and press cheered and the ground for compromise over the next two years was well and truly salted. Johnson isn’t going back to this. The Tory Party is now the hard Brexit Party and all the moderate Tories who could lead on this have either been chucked out or are buggering off.

Now it’s a fight to the death and yeah I want to see Brexit dead. I want to see it die inch by painful inch. I even enjoyed Johnson’s border proposals as it is acknowledgment that the border is a real issue, it’s an acknowledgment that we won’t be getting frictionless trade with anyone, anytime soon and it’s an acknowledgment that we are due another year or so of negotiations because no one is buying a U.K. promise that we will sort out the really technical bits during transition.

So we could all hold hands and sing Kumbaya but it ain’t happening.

 

[George Hannah]

I hope like Tony Benn (was it?) he's giving up being an MP so he can concentrate on politics.

It seems he wants to follow in BoJo's footsteps along the streets of Singapore upon Thames.
Disappointing, I'd hoped for a more direct challenge to the extremists.

 

[smudgedj]

What options are there to solve the issue

1/ Ireland rejoins the UK

2/ A united Ireland

3/ Independence for Northern Ireland

4/ Remain

5/ Fuck it we are leaving anyway.

Any others?

It can hand its A50 letter into the EU.


Ireland's solution is obvious though. An autonomous and United Ireland loyal to the crown and part of a fully sovereign and independent United Kingdom.

 

[Metal Biker]

The chance to catch that ship sailed in late 2016 when May got up and said ‘Brexit means Brexit’ and ‘out’ means out of everything. The Tories and press cheered and the ground for compromise over the next two years was well and truly salted. Johnson isn’t going back to this. The Tory Party is now the hard Brexit Party and all the moderate Tories who could lead on this have either been chucked out or are buggering off.

Now it’s a fight to the death and yeah I want to see Brexit dead. I want to see it die inch by painful inch. I even enjoyed Johnson’s border proposals as it is acknowledgment that the border is a real issue, it’s an acknowledgment that we won’t be getting frictionless trade with anyone, anytime soon and it’s an acknowledgment that we are due another year or so of negotiations because no one is buying a U.K. promise that we will sort out the really technical bits during transition.

So we could all hold hands and sing Kumbaya but it ain’t happening.

Not if we keep staying in our own bubbles, no.

You don't want compromise, you're part of the problem that keeps this saga dragging on and on when most of us want to move forward. In that sense you're no better than the ERG types you like to criticise.

 

[Vic]

Sho

Shouldn't be a surprise just a simple case of following the numbers. For a start the tories start 10-13 seats down in Scotland.

Our constituency is between a popular Labour MP and a Tory with no real political experience and not much sense either. LibDems will happily vote Labour knowing that Corbyn cannot get an overall majoruty and would have to work with LibDems to form a government - so long as Labour is at least offering a chance to Remain.

 

[BobKowalski]

It can hand its A50 letter into the EU.


Ireland's solution is obvious though. An autonomous and United Ireland loyal to the crown and part of a fully sovereign and independent United Kingdom.

Hah. Yeah. Thanks for that. I appreciate a good laugh. You need a sense of humour when it’s all going to shit.

 

[Vic]

So join my side and help to convince them. Not all Tories are ERG's.

We need a compromise, EFTA is that compromise. It keeps us close to Europe, but out of the EU, honours the referendum result, and the GFA. Even Fargy Bargy at the start was advocating it as a temporary arrangement upon leaving, so it's not like the hard brexit supporters who advocate him can complain.

It's not going to be to everyone's tastes; those who want a clean break or those who want to be part of the EU as a member, but if a compromise beign sought is where we're at, EFTA provides a solution to all the problems people keep raising. All we need is for a majority of MP's to know that we, the public, support it. It's an option, is what i'm promoting, and one worth looking into and making more public.

You've persuaded the Remainers here. It's the extremist pack you often "like" who are opposed.

 

[smudgedj]

Hah. Yeah. Thanks for that. I appreciate a good laugh. You need a sense of humour when it’s all going to shit.

De Nada

 

[yerwot?]

So join my side and help to convince them. Not all Tories are ERG's.

We need a compromise, EFTA is that compromise. It keeps us close to Europe, but out of the EU, honours the referendum result, and the GFA. Even Fargy Bargy at the start was advocating it as a temporary arrangement upon leaving, so it's not like the hard brexit supporters who advocate him can complain.

It's not going to be to everyone's tastes; those who want a clean break or those who want to be part of the EU as a member, but if a compromise beign sought is where we're at, EFTA provides a solution to all the problems people keep raising. All we need is for a majority of MP's to know that we, the public, support it.

Which can be silenced by a unified approach to brexit. Finding that compromise that lessens the extremists agendas, on both sides, to find a common ground supported by the majority.

Do you want an end to this saga? Do you want to reach a compromise with those of us who want brexit concluded? I've offered EFTA membership, something the EU themselves advocated and offered at the start of the negotiations. Bleating about what the Conservatives want isn't furthering debate. We know what the Conservatives want, and we know how to combat it. I'm not hearing any other workable solutions.

Revoke is 100% workable, necessary and DEMOCRATIC any else is disastrous for most of the population, your attempt to separate brexit from tory skulduggery fails even the briefest scan ,as per, Again the royal "we" . Ffs, you speak for you, and thats it, we this and we that is a sad plea for "credibility that "we" remainers all see through and disdain.imo of course.Any any form of compromise is out of the question, just fuck off and put together a case for brexit that the vast msjority will accept and not the current right-wing stitch up that johnson is hawking like a grubby spiv trying to sell piss as perfume.

 

[BobKowalski]

Not if we keep staying in our own ponds, no.

You don't want compromise, you're part of the problem that keeps this saga dragging on and on when most of us want to move forward. In that sense you're no better than the ERG types you like to criticise.

I would point that I was fully on board with compromise after the referendum. I didn’t even have a problem with the Withdrawal Agreement and said so at the time. This saga is dragging on no matter what anyone posts on here. Reality is there is no ground for compromise so we have to pick a side and I’m happy with my choice. Also I utterly loathe every single public figure who advocates for Brexit. Barely sentient dog shit the lot of them.