The more I think about this - the more clever he (his advisors of course) might beAs I answered after your post George and also last night. With an extension, what was proposed could be seen as a starting point of a genuine negotiation.
As it is there are too many unknowns and lack of fine detail, that really needs to be nailed down, before any credible deal respecting consensus as defined in the GFA would get backing here or judging from the response up North from anyone else other than the DUP.
Leaving the GFA aside, there seemed to be pretty unanimous belief that the content other than that was actually unworkable.
There's a lot of work that would need to be done, but it certainly had some interesting compromises in it.
The trouble I see is that without the effective shredding of the GFA it would not get DUP support.
Apart from them not being lies. The inconvenient truth in fact.Quite a lot of Remainers had no affection for the EU and would have voted Leave if the PM and Chancellor hadn’t scared them to death with their lies. Both sides can play that game ;)
It's not only Brexit supporters who were concerned about loss of jobs, cheap EU labour, loss of community, NHS burdens and waiting times. They may have voted Remain because it was a binary vote, but just putting a tick in the Remain box doesn't mean you like everything that vote stands for.
Personally I am in favour of FOM. But there's a HELL of a lot of things about the EU I do NOT like, and yet I still voted Remain. It doesn't mean I like everything to do with EU membership.
Perhaps they just want Brexit done - you know - the decision of the majority of the UK public?Yeah, that's what I've been saying. There's enough people out there dumb enough to believe his shit they will vote for him.
Fuck me - you have really lost it....Feels good though :)
Seriously no form of Brexit is going to be enough for these people. It will never be pure enough. Next it will be fining people who drive a Renault on the grounds of economic treason. Hum a few bars of an ABBA song and you will be arrested for cultural terrorism. I’m bored with their tantrums, their whining and the general shite that comes with these people and their unhinged obsession with the EU.
Fuck ‘em.
Agreed.Likewise, I voted Leave but that doesn’t mean I disagree with all aspects of EU membership. I actually know Remainers who, despite still being Remainers at heart, are now more in favour of us getting out - preferably with a deal of course - than Leavers like me who, if there were a second referendum, might just end up voting Remain due to the shitshow of the past 3+ years.
The rewards are magnificent https://unitynewsnetwork.co.uk/lib-dems-leader/No different to the Lib Dems writing begging letters to their EU masters is it.
Sorry bud, it ain’t happening. Remainers have split into two camps, revoke article 50 and fuck those who voted Leave, or offer a rigged referendum with a Leave Option that the vast majority of Leavers hate, which has a pretence of being democratic but effectively fucks Leave voters over as well. Not much compromise on offer there, or is it only Leavers that are supposed to compromise?
Apart from them not being lies. The inconvenient truth in fact.
What is remotely clever about engaging in a modus operandi which is only going to serve to widen the divisions in our society??? Seriously....
If he has gotten an EU country to agree to block an extension - I really doubt that is the case - would people not at least recognise that as a pretty shrewd move.
Irrespective of being a Remainer or Leaver surely people can all say - clever ****?
We have had years of the EU using their Westminster sycophants to do their work and that has been applauded - so why would this be more reprehensible?
No we haven't - that is just another way of saying Leavers are thick - yawnMany of them have got fairly (or very) shit lives and they’ve been sold an absolute pup by a duplicitous bunch of tossers.
Your ‘two camps’ wholly inadequately represents the gamut of opinion within those who voted to remain, and significantly so.Sorry bud, it ain’t happening. Remainers have split into two camps, revoke article 50 and fuck those who voted Leave, or offer a rigged referendum with a Leave Option that the vast majority of Leavers hate, which has a pretence of being democratic but effectively fucks Leave voters over as well. Not much compromise on offer there, or is it only Leavers that are supposed to compromise?
After all, it was headed up by a lying ****.Whichever way you look at it, the leave campaign was dishonest to the core.
I think some leading politicians did actually believe this, which is almost as reprehensible as not believing it and lying about it. Utterly incredible that anyone genuinely thought this.Dishonest yes, but probably just naively unrealistic as well. I think they genuinely believed this "they need us more than we need them" bullshit, and completely and utterly misjudged the fact that EU puts the integrity and future stability of the EU ahead of any and all economic considerations.
(And they didn't need us more than we needed them in the first place, of course)
Go on, have a guess. I’ll give you two tries.Sadly I've forgotten ;-(
I think some leading politicians did actually believe this, which is almost as reprehensible as not believing it and lying about it. Utterly incredible that anyone genuinely thought this.
Maybe - just maybe, the EU have a deal of blame to be apportioned to them...…..?I don't agree with that at all.
The people to blame are the tossers that spent the last 10 years brainwashing the Brexit voters. Namely the right wing press such as the Telegraph and the Mail and above all, that utter wanker Farage.
And Cameron for *completely* fucking up the campaign by endlessly concentrating on the (genuine) negatives of leaving, but totally failing to paint a picture of how and why EU membership is so beneficial.
After WW I we along with the other Allies imposed severe reparations and a ‘guilt clause’ on Germany as part of the Peace settlement. What we got back was Hitler and WW II.
After WW II we took a different approach and the Americans gave billions in aid to rebuild Germany. What we got back second time around was peace and a prosperous Europe.
There is probably a lesson in there somewhere.
He is, although I’m not sure if I’ve mentioned it before.Johnson had previously articulated the dangers of leaving the EU.
He is a lying self serving ****.
You're talking to the wrong person.
If you already agree we need a compromise, you also need to make the "fuck 'em" FBPE types understand that a compromise is needed to end all this shit.