Another new Brexit thread

[west didsblue]

Who is saying people in a country cannot self determine their own fate?

If the people of Scotland want to leave the uk have another referendum then fine. I don’t live in Scotland , I live in England but if that referendum resulted in Scotland wanted to leave the uk and leave won I would totally respect that view and I think it would be incumbent on the rest of the uk to work with the Scottish govt reasonably to facilitate that result efficiently reasonably and sensibly.

@blueinsa is saying they've had their chance.

Edit: I take it back. It looks like he's changed his mind. Probably wants to stay in the EU as part of an independent Scotland.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Who is saying people in a country cannot self determine their own fate?

If the people of Scotland want to leave the uk have another referendum then fine. I don’t live in Scotland , I live in England but if that referendum resulted in Scotland wanted to leave the uk and leave won I would totally respect that view and I think it would be incumbent on the rest of the uk to work with the Scottish govt reasonably to facilitate that result efficiently reasonably and sensibly.

Would that involve us giving them free access to our market whilst they also accessed the EU one ?

Or would we block that ?

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

Yeah we know we haven’t left.

Imagine if the Scots voted for independence and leave won by 52% and somehow leaving the uk was frustrated . Can you imagine the anger.

Unfortunately mate I think it's a case of people not realising how difficult this process would be.

"Easiest trade deal ever" etc. The simple fact is there's only been one agreement put between the EU and the UK and that's is May's W.A. That was rejected by remainers and leavers as well.

 

[blueinsa]

@blueinsa is saying they've had their chance.

No I am not.

 

[west didsblue]

No I am not.

I edited my post

 

[blueinsa]

I edited my post

You needn't have bothered lol

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

@blueinsa is saying they've had their chance.

He is not he is saying that at the time of the Scots ref they were promised they could stay in the union and the eu . Fact

However since then ( as things move on) there has been a referendum and leave the eu won in the uk . Fact.

That does change things and the snp are using that change as a means of canvassing a new referendum on leaving those nasty English.

That’s it. Do it. Have one. Things will change if we leave the eu but as I say that is entirely for the Scots. Circumstances will have changed.

If it means I don’t have to listen to the acceptable face of xenophobia, which is shouting anti English crap whilst wearing a suit , then it’s another brexit dividend for me.

 

[west didsblue]

Yeah we know we haven’t left.

Imagine if the Scots voted for independence and leave won by 52% and somehow leaving the uk was frustrated . Can you imagine the anger.

You possibly don't remember but the nationalists were forced to say exactly how it would be implemented and wrote a 1000 page document with a lot of technical detail, so the population knew exactly what they were voting for (or at least had the opportunity to find out).
For Brexit, the means of departure were kept deliberately vague which has directly resulted in the mess we're in now where no-one can get a majority for the means of implementation. If the Brexit vote was run along the same lines as the Indyref vote there would be no argument.

 

[Neville Kneville]

He is not he is saying that at the time of the Scots ref they were promised they could stay in the union and the eu . Fact

However since then ( as things move on) there has been a referendum and leave the eu won in the uk . Fact.

That does change things and the snp are using that change as a means of canvassing a new referendum on leaving those nasty English.

That’s it. Do it. Have one. Things will change if we leave the eu but as I say that is entirely for the Scots. Circumstances will have changed.

If it means I don’t have to listen to the acceptable face of xenophobia, which is shouting anti English crap whilst wearing a suit , then it’s another brexit dividend for me.

Lilke the 'dividend' we are currenly enjoying the benefits of ?

 

[Metal Biker]

And then you wake up and realise we have a veto.

As i've told you time and time again, it's not about veto's, it's about opposing what Europe is becoming at the hands of a few.

The EU goes down a path we disagree with, and we say "we want no part of it", just proves how the political aspects of the EU and the UK are completely different and that we shold be part of a European organisation that has no such aspirations.

 

[west didsblue]

He is not he is saying that at the time of the Scots ref they were promised they could stay in the union and the eu . Fact

However since then ( as things move on) there has been a referendum and leave the eu won in the uk . Fact.

That does change things and the snp are using that change as a means of canvassing a new referendum on leaving those nasty English.

That’s it. Do it. Have one. Things will change if we leave the eu but as I say that is entirely for the Scots. Circumstances will have changed.

If it means I don’t have to listen to the acceptable face of xenophobia, which is shouting anti English crap whilst wearing a suit , then it’s another brexit dividend for me.

Glad you've come round to my view. Disagree with the last sentence though.

 

[SWP's back]

Am I right in thinking that Boris has to take his deal to the EU on the 17th and it's likely they won't accept it.

Then he has to take it to UK Parliament (if the EU have accepted it) and it's likely to get voted down anyway?

Then he'd be forced into asking for another extension?

 

[blueinsa]

That’s it. Do it. Have one. Things will change if we leave the eu but as I say that is entirely for the Scots. Circumstances will have changed.

If it means I don’t have to listen to the acceptable face of xenophobia, which is shouting anti English crap whilst wearing a suit , then it’s another brexit dividend for me.

Very much this.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

You possibly don't remember but the nationalists were forced to say exactly how it would be implemented and wrote a 1000 page document with a lot of technical detail, so the population knew exactly what they were voting for (or at least had the opportunity to find out).
For Brexit, the means of departure were kept deliberately vague which has directly resulted in the mess we're in now where no-one can get a majority for the means of implementation. If the Brexit vote was run along the same lines as the Indyref vote there would be no argument.

I don’t disagree with either of those points.

Equally I am not against the Scots holding another referendum if they want to. I don’t live in Scotland I don’t have a say.

 

[Metal Biker]

We hold a veto ....... FFS and if they want an Eu army then we have to hold a referendum ...........

For the time being. But again, it's NOT about the veto, it's the fact the EU wants to do this in the first place!

 

[Neville Kneville]

As i've told you time and time again, it's not about veto's, it's about opposing what Europe is becoming at the hands of a few.

The EU goes down a path we disagree with, and we say "we want no part of it", just proves how the political aspects of the EU and the UK are completely different and that we shold be part of a European organisation that has no such aspirations.

Please, enough with the 'we' stuff.

There is no 'we' amongst the leave vote.

People had their own reasons, not yours.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Lilke the 'dividend' we are currenly enjoying the benefits of ?

Good luck to Nicola negotiating the replacement to the Barnett formula with the eu.....

 

[west didsblue]

I don’t disagree with either of those points.

Equally I am not against the Scots holding another referendum if they want to. I don’t live in Scotland I don’t have a say.

Tell some of your Brexit buddies, especially the pompous piffler who wants the English to have a vote on Scottish independence.

 

[Metal Biker]

Whoosh.

Never thought I’d catch anyone with a comment like that.

I don't think you understand the concept of a "whoosh".

Where's the sarcasm from you in that post? It's exactly what you feel.

 

[Metal Biker]

They voted to stay in when the UK as a whole was in the European Union. Now that's no longer going to be the case the situation has evidently changed.

I'd have thought most brexiteers would understand a country's desire for sovereignty and independence? ;)

Are you suggesting you now understand ours?