Another new Brexit thread

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The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
The only consolation is that they may win a general election and they may then deliver a no deal Brexit but, if those things are true, in five years they’ll finally be consigned to the dustbin of history.
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They may squeak a narrow win but it won’t be enough to bring home major constitutional change. Truth is we have don’t have the ability to shape the EU or get from the EU what we desperately need. A no deal Brexit is admission of that failure. Brexit is a process not an end in itself. No deal doesn’t sort anything or solve anything. It just isolates us.
 
blueinsa said:
Even funnier watching a dog with a new bone lol.

Woof woof
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In Imaginationland, any reality can be played out!

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west didsblue said:
Not only was it one of the main ones, it was actually designated the official group advocating for Brexit. Funny to watch the leavers now distancing themselves from the official leave campaign.
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I completely disagree. I’m extremely glad that committed leavers are as disgusted with that tweet as I am. I’d much sooner they react as decent people who are disgusted by what they’ve seen and I hope it will cause some to reflect more on the people who are responsible for that tweet and why it was as disgusting as it was. I can’t for the life of me think that any sort of point scoring on an Internet forum is a better outcome than people who share the same basic objective as Leave EU but are (finally) becoming disgusted with the way they are going about it.
 
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Mëtal Bikër said:
Scotland and Wales are part of Great Britain, just like England.

Scotland and Wales do not share a land border with any European country. Ironically, through the Channel Tunnel, England kind of does.
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So essentially break up the UK so Britain can leave ? Doubt the DUP will go for that.
 
BobKowalski said:
Well it seems everyone has finally got there. What do you think we have been pointing out for the past two years or so? The solution to NI border is for NI or the U.K. as a whole to remain in the Single Market and Customs Union.
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Or not give in to the threat of terrorism. The Good Friday agreement is not fit for purpose post Brexit so change it.
 
blueinsa said:
There is because they will never agree to us leaving and the backstop will be invoked.

Trap and today's news confirms it as it does there intentions.
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Yep - the real issue is the extent of the annexing - it would be UK wide for decades to come

How UK citizens can choose to ignore this is it allows them to make points on a football internet forum is a real disappointment for me
 
blueparrot said:
So essentially break up the UK so Britain can leave ? Doubt the DUP will go for that.
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The people of Northern Ireland, via polls, have shown they are supportive of it. The DUP are a damp squip. BoJo's lost his majority, their views are no longer impactful and are a minority view at best.

You might consider it "breaking up the UK", but NI won't have actually left the UK, will they. Just like Scotland having it's own Parliament doesn't mean you've left the UK, has it. If the people of Northern Ireland are fine with it, Ireland and the EU are fine with it, and many in Great Britain are fine with it, what's the problem?
 
BobKowalski said:
That’s your Tory campaign poster right there. The calculation is that our only way out now is to tear everything down and destroy everything around us and like all clarion calls to battle millions will blindly follow.
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It’s shocking it really is. How does that help.

The reality though is he has threatened no deal but there are plenty in the Tory party who will not support no deal when it comes to it.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
The people of Northern Ireland, via polls, have shown they are supportive of it. The DUP are a damp squip. BoJo's lost his majority, their views are no longer impactful and are a minority view at best.

You might consider it "breaking up the UK", but NI won't have actually left the UK, will they. Just like Scotland having it's own Parliament doesn't mean you've left the UK, has it. If the people of Northern Ireland are fine with it, Ireland and the EU are fine with it, and many in Great Britain are fine with it, what's the problem?
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Because Scotland and only guessing but Wales too would not be fine with N. Ireland being part of the EU customs union and not themselves. A large part of English businesses would also be against it.
Whilst a border in the North Sea would see a large section of the N Ireland population up in arms. The DUP are no damp squib in this parliament and are still pulling Tory strings.
 
grunge said:
what negotiations are you meaning?
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The one's in early 2016, where Cameron looked for reforms and was pretty much told "just veto the things you don't like".

To those of us who didn't want to just be told "just veto", we wanted Europe to reform, it was deemed a failure and instrumental in people's decision to leave as it was clear the EU wasn't prepared to listen to us.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
It’s shocking it really is. How does that help.

The reality though is he has threatened no deal but there are plenty in the Tory party who will not support no deal when it comes to it.
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But it is interesting what even the threat of a No-Deal outcome leads to

I know that you do not want it - no sensible person should - but neither should we be afraid of that path if the alternative is so ruinous to the UK - either Remaining or May's deal

But forget that

Just look at the changes in confidence of the Remain parties in the UK - the dramatically lowered bluster from the EU

Even posters on here are suggesting 'compromises' as if they have never ever previously been of the arrogant mind that Brexit will get stopped and they can say I told you so.....

Seriously - even it's outside risk of occurring has a serious impact on the many groups

Keep it alive and the EU will settle on a compromise around the current offering
 
mcfc1632 said:
How he stayed in a job after fucking up the 'negotiations' with Cameron is a disgrace - his arrogance that caused that fuck up is still in full flow today
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I assume by ‘fucking up’ you mean ‘not giving any more leeway to U.K. demands that were getting on 27 other countries tits’.
 
BobKowalski said:
Brexit isn’t fit for purpose with regard to the GFA. So either bin Brexit or NI remains in the EU economic zone. Choose one.
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Think a lot are taking the GFA for granted and forget what a great achievement it was, can't think of the top of my head any modern peace agreement that has been as successful,they are happy to bin it and forget what went before it.
 
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