Another new Brexit thread

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Gaudion M said:
I can vouch with this - I work for a US firm and regularly discuss the similarity between the Trump vote and the brexit vote. We tend to agree they are not the brightest and both are massively damaging our countries.
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Well if you all agree with each other then you must be right....
 
Chris in London said:
I can't bring myself to blame American banks over exposing themselves in the sub-prime market as responsible for Brexit, no, yet austerity operated like a crowbar in those fault lines and led directly to the voters being asked one question in 2016 and answering another.
What I can blame are the smug fools who thought exposing the country to this fucking abomination was a neat way of stifling dissent within the conservative party.
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We can agree about all that then. The referendum did happen though, however rancid its motives, and our decision was to leave. What has happened since to prevent that promise being honoured is catastrophic for our democracy.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Its a nice post and reflects my feelings of pride very closely. I have always believed that the Union was so much more than the sum of the four countries. I pray to god we can return to one nation politics at some point in the not too distant future and before the Union is ripped apart.
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Unfortunately mate with the Tories in town that ain't gonna happen.
They have already brought the country to an existential crisis as a consequence of a botched attempt to solve an internal party issue re. UKIP.
Now they will threaten anything - the Union,the Monarchy, the Constitution, the Judiciary,the GFA -that gets in their way to power.
 
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George Hannah said:
We can agree about all that then. The referendum did happen though, however rancid its motives, and our decision was to leave. What has happened since to prevent that promise being honoured is catastrophic for our democracy.
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This.

Bigger picture here and in the race to get what they want they are willing to ignore our democracy.

That will end far worse than any brexit I am certain.

Never mind the right to go live and work in Krakow, we all have to live here afterwards.
 
bluejon said:
And the award for most pithy comment i've seen on here today goes too... This one above. Sorry that conversation we've both had match up in tone.
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Sorry to disrupt the echo chamber.

As you where....
 
blueparrot said:
Think a lot are taking the GFA for granted and forget what a great achievement it was, can't think of the top of my head any modern peace agreement that has been as successful,they are happy to bin it and forget what went before it.
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"They" includes nearly all the vocal Leavers on here. But they're not "taking it for granted", some have clearly put it a poor second before "getting Brexit done". Except No Deal means it won't be "done", it certainly will not be a "clean break" - it will be the dirtiest sort of break and will take years to clean up (in terms of free trade deals with the EU or anyone else, in terms of ongoing rancour and division, in terms of restoring any international credibility, and mostly that no-one is going to wait for the "long-term" benefits of leaving before deciding Brexit was crap and was always going to be).
 
carlosthejackal said:
Correct not all leavers believe in this shite but a huge amount do , they have fuck all to cling onto now apart from this kind of shite . As I asked earlier, is the HMRC report about £15 billion extra cost annually to business on administration for exports and imports part of project fear ? Obviously it doesn’t get a response because they know deep down that they have fallen for the lies . It’s truly pitiful how this whole scenario has unfolded . The last desperate resort will now be a campaign of jingoistic language to make the EU and foreigners the enemy and the frightening thing is that it will succeed .
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That £15 billion extra cost is if we come out without a deal isn’t it? And given that most Leave voters don’t want No Deal, I’m not sure why you didn’t mention that the cost was in the event of a No Deal Brexit.
 
George Hannah said:
We can agree about all that then. The referendum did happen though, however rancid its motives, and our decision was to leave. What has happened since to prevent that promise being honoured is catastrophic for our democracy.
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You don't think a referendum with rancid motives might be the thing that's catastrophic?
 
George Hannah said:
We can agree about all that then. The referendum did happen though, however rancid its motives, and our decision was to leave. What has happened since to prevent that promise being honoured is catastrophic for our democracy.
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Leavers complain what was promised has not been delivered. Remainers complain what is being delivered is not what was promised. Neither has exclusive rights to the moral high ground. We are where we are.

The only argument seems to me whether this is best sorted out by a general election or a confirmatory referendum.
 
Vic said:
You don't think a referendum with rancid motives might be the thing that's catastrophic?
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Throwing a brick through a window is a stupid thing to do as well Vic but knocking on and asking for it back isn't going to make it all go away.

Parliament had a choice and could have said no.

They didn't, the vote went ahead and people now expect to see the result honoured.
 
bluejon said:
Fuck me. Observation of the same thing by two people is not an echo chamber. But, i get it, you don't like it, so you discredit it. Standard
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Disagree is the word you are looking for.

I know that isn't allowed in your echo chamber world but tough.
 
blueinsa said:
Disagree is the word you are looking for.

I know that isn't allowed in your echo chamber world but tough.
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So you've been speaking to people abroad who don't think brexit is stupid, right, got you. Who have you been speaking too?
 
bluejon said:
So you've been speaking to people abroad who don't think brexit is stupid, right, got you. Who have you been speaking too?
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I replied to Gaudion and his "not the brightest" comment.

That was me disagreeing with him.

You then jumping in is your own problem and as for who I speak to....what the fuck has it got to do with you?

Because im feeling in a good mood though here is a pic of us all together.

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I will let you get back to your mates and your opinions on us brexit voters now.
 
M18CTID said:
That £15 billion extra cost is if we come out without a deal isn’t it? And given that most Leave voters don’t want No Deal, I’m not sure why you didn’t mention that the cost was in the event of a No Deal Brexit.
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Yes it is and I should have stated that , the ERG who with Cummings are calling the shots are determined to leave on a no deal and I’ve seen and heard plenty of people who just want out regardless. Obviously they don’t realise that if we did then that’s only just the start , it’s staggering how many think that when we leave it will all be over and done with .
 
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