Another new Brexit thread

[kevin horlocks wand]

James O'Brien said a couple of things.

A desirable Brexit is undeliverable and a deliverable Brexit is undesirable.

Seemingly correct.

He also wonders, if no deal is not such a bad thing, why is the PM busy playing the blame game.

You must have either have some balls , or be a smug arrogant individual to call your own self help book

how to be right

only James would do that

 

[Rascal]

Out of interest, do you pin the end goal of being in power on Johnson alone (as the Johnson/Cummings entity), or is the Conservative party complicit in it too?

Johnson. He has used the Tory party, the leavers and the nation to sate his own ambition.

The ****

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Gotta love that chlorinated chicken.

Mmm mmm mmm!

The remainers must swim in only saltwater pools .

 

[Chris in London]

The difference is that leavers are right to complain, they have been sold down the river and their discontent will find expression in a GE. Sadly the debate and its proponents have become so polarized that event will produce a grossy distorted verdict - probably carte blanche for a crash out via a BoJo/Farage axis deliberately forced by a Labour Party which knows it's finished as an electable power.

No, the difference is that one side thinks that the other has lied and cheated to get its way and the other side thinks the other has lied and cheated to get its way. Before you uphold leavers right to complain only you need to explain why the leave campaign broke the law in relation to campaign funding, why the promise to divert money we do not pay to the EU was promised to the NHS, why the spectre of Turkey joining the EU was raised when we have a veto, etc etc etc.

You can’t do this, of course, because nobody can.

Bottom line is it has now polarised to a no deal leave or remain.

Choose your side.

 

[Blue Hefner]

You must have either have some balls , or be a smug arrogant individual to call your own self help book

how to be right

only James would do that

It’s a decent book, actually

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

It’s a decent book, actually

I dont mind listening to his show to be fair to him But come on , you couldn’t call your book that

 

[Blue Hefner]

Johnson said ‘no-deal’ was 1’000’000/1 - it appears he hit the jackpot. I nicked that

But if a PM says something is that much of a long shot and only 6 weeks later we are heading straight for it then it seems he has a terrible sense of judgment. Perhaps so much so that he is not fit for office

 

[Ancient Citizen]

No, the difference is that one side thinks that the other has lied and cheated to get its way and the other side thinks the other has lied and cheated to get its way. Before you uphold leavers right to complain only you need to explain why the leave campaign broke the law in relation to campaign funding, why the promise to divert money we do not pay to the EU was promised to the NHS, why the spectre of Turkey joining the EU was raised when we have a veto, etc etc etc.

You can’t do this, of course, because nobody can.

Bottom line is it has now polarised to a no deal leave or remain.

Choose your side.

Nobody lied to me, who lied to you?

 

[Chris in London]

Nobody lied to me, who lied to you?

Nobody lied to you?

Bless.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

The remainers must swim in only saltwater pools .

Leaver Bantz. Razor sharp.

 

[journolud]

You must have either have some balls , or be a smug arrogant individual to call your own self help book

how to be right

only James would do that

He just beat @mcfc1632 to it.

 

[Blue Hefner]

I dont mind listening to his show to be fair to him But come on , you couldn’t call your book that

It didn’t take me very long to read. It’s an extension of his radio show so you sort of know what’s coming. But it’s an read and was my first book of the year so just what I needed

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Nobody lied to you?

Bless.

Nobody lied to you either?
Bless.
So as nobody lied, why the fuck do those who lost keep crying about it?

 

[Chris in London]

Nobody lied to you either?
Bless.
So as nobody lied, why the fuck do those who lost keep crying about it?

Oh dear.

There’s none so blind as those who will not see.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Oh dear.

There’s none so blind as those who will not see.

Bless

 

[AlexWilliamsGloves]

Not if people aren't willing to compromise.

I think NI has clearly shown we really know how to compromise

 

[Scottyboi]

That post by Leave.EU was disgusting today, last night I was watching boy soldiers of WW2 listening to their experiences it knocked me sick that they used their sacrifice as some sort of political point.

There will be leavers who were ashamed of that post today, does nothing but increase the stereotype that leavers are bigots which isn't true in a lot of cases.

 

[Metal Biker]

I think NI has clearly shown we really know how to compromise

Yet the UK Parliament simply won't listen.

 

[carlosthejackal]

Nobody lied to you either?
Bless.
So as nobody lied, why the fuck do those who lost keep crying about it?

So the remain side lost , just wondering what the leave side have won ?
If nobody lied to you then what type of Brexit did you actually vote for ?

 

[Coatigan]

So you keep saying.

I think I've answered a few times yeah fuck it, lets do it but the issue you have Vic is the politicians including many remain and the so called anti no deal lot wont go there.

Why is that Vic?

Because, (if i'm reading it right, you are talking about a second referendum) pretty much every media outlet has shoved this rhetoric down our throats that a second referendum would be unacceptably anti-democratic, quoting multiple leave commentators claiming we've already had one, and that it only seeks to overturn 'the will of the people'.

i don't see how being asked again is in any way undemocratic. it has been over three years, and whether outright lied to, or simply believing unfounded assumptions with best intent, so much has become (or should be) so much clearer, that surely the direction now evident is worth asking again.

There was a referendum in 1975 which overwhelmingly (properly overwhelmingly) determined that the UK should be part of the EU, so by its own logic, this brexit referendum was therefore wholly undemocratic as it seeks to overturn the decision of that referendum.

A second/confirmatory referendum does increasingly seem the only way out of this mess, with or without a GE.

imho.