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gordondaviesmoustache said:
Happy for any of them to step forward.
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Ban-jani said:
The same old tired argument.

Per year we make 4+% GDP from our membership, this figure includes all UK payments and everything we make from trade.

We’re literally better off every year for being members.

It’s paying an entrance fee to a market that you know you’ll make money from every day you’re there.

For the love of god, let’s stop the nonsense after 3 years of bullshit.
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The truth not bullshit is Britain had a trade deficit with the EU of 64 billion pounds in 2018 great club to pay to be a member in,better off every year my arse.
 
George Hannah said:
Tony Blair on the Andrew Neil Show tonight - in deep trouble on the route to a second referendum, rarely seem him so exposed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0...7yuhxWmRwYLnTyEIe5JfS6u6f7ZWSOYEtbmiieileHhgM
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I thought he came across well. Yes the route to a second referendum is difficult but I don’t think there should be a GE on one issue so, as he says, if it’s accepted that Parliament needs to go back to the people on the issue of Brexit then go back in the form of a referendum rather than a GE which has a whole range of other very important issues attached
 
Blue Hefner said:
I thought he came across well. Yes the route to a second referendum is difficult but I don’t think there should be a GE on one issue so, as he says, if it’s accepted that Parliament needs to go back to the people on the issue of Brexit then go back in the form of a referendum rather than a GE which has a whole range of other very important issues attached
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What's the point of a second referendum when the elected representatives in Westminster can choose to ignore the results of them, i find it strange a former PM would say we'll have another go. At least he could have followed up by saying if it doesn't go the way we fancy then we'll try for number 3.
 
i kne albert davy said:
What's the point of a second referendum when the elected representatives in Westminster can choose to ignore the results of them, i find it strange a former PM would say we'll have another go. At least he could have followed up by saying if it doesn't go the way we fancy then we'll try for number 3.
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It's a people's vote not a referendum. Remainers don't like referendum as the issue is too complicated. We should leave it to our politicians to do their best on our beha........ sorry can't continue my sides hurt
 
Blue Hefner said:
I thought he came across well. Yes the route to a second referendum is difficult but I don’t think there should be a GE on one issue so, as he says, if it’s accepted that Parliament needs to go back to the people on the issue of Brexit then go back in the form of a referendum rather than a GE which has a whole range of other very important issues attached
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As I replied to @Chris in London just now the route is not just difficult, the version he proposed and the GE denial to allow it to happen is reckless and profoundly undemocratic.
 
George Hannah said:
Right link so you must have reached the wrong conclusion. The only route to his 'solution' was a grouping of Remainers taking over Parliament denying a GE for at least 6 months and forcing a second referendum on either Remain or No Deal. It is not only wholly improbable, profoundly undemocratic and the height of irresponsibility - it is deliberately incendiary and Neil exposed it as such.
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So when you said he was exposed and in trouble you mean you just disagreed with what he said? By that yardstick George you’re exposed and in trouble every time you post.
 
i kne albert davy said:
What's the point of a second referendum when the elected representatives in Westminster can choose to ignore the results of them, i find it strange a former PM would say we'll have another go. At least he could have followed up by saying if it doesn't go the way we fancy then we'll try for number 3.
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It has not been ignored, has it? But for the sake of argument let’s pretend it has been. Let’s say some voter for a Norway option but are now being told we will now rip up 40years worth of agreements. I don’t think that’s acceptable - that is taking someone’s vote and taking liberties

On top of that it was an advisory referendum so they are free to ignore it if they wish. But like I said, I don’t accept it has been ignored. There is an offer on the table it’s just that some thought it left us worse off than we are now(as is an MPs right) and some thought it wasn’t Brexitey enough, which again is their right. Which leaves us where we are now

So now, we have two clear and obvious options. Rip everything up or stay as we are
 
George Hannah said:
As I replied to @Chris in London just now the route is not just difficult, the version he proposed and the GE denial to allow it to happen is reckless and profoundly undemocratic.
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Denying the current government a politically driven and politically convenient(for the government) a one issue GE is not undemocratic, it is the Oppositions right. Hence the vote
 
i kne albert davy said:
The truth not bullshit is Britain had a trade deficit with the EU of 64 billion pounds in 2018 great club to pay to be a member in,better off every year my arse.
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Again. The UK is a country not a company. We import a lot because we consume a lot. These imports have to be transported, stored and sold. This is done by people working in the U.K. who get paid to do this. Imports are not an issue nor a problem.

This is not a difficult concept.
 
Chris in London said:
So when you said he was exposed and in trouble you mean you just disagreed with what he said? By that yardstick George you’re exposed and in trouble every time you post.
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Forget the cheap shots, leave them to the experts. If you think a second referendum staged by the losers on No Deal or Remain after another 6 months of chaotic stalled government is a coherent solution and good for this country then there is really nothing left to discuss.
 
I suppose the easiest way to leave is for Boris Johnson as PM to negotiate a deal that he can bring back to Parliament for them to agree on. Its is his avowed preference after all - there seems little evidence that he is planning on doing this however.
 
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George Hannah said:
Forget the cheap shots, leave them to the experts. If you think a second referendum staged by the losers on No Deal or Remain after another 6 months of chaotic stalled government is a coherent solution and good for this country then there is really nothing left to discuss.
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Sometimes I wonder if you’re being wonderfully ironic or really dim. Please don’t tell me which, it’s more interesting not knowing.
 
Blue Hefner said:
Denying the current government a politically driven and politically convenient(for the government) a one issue GE is not undemocratic, it is the Oppositions right. Hence the vote
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The electorate is sovereign, they get to decide who governs them via a GE - that's how politics in this country should work. An opposition in flight from the voters because it knows it is heading for oblivion cannot be allowed to stall the democratic process.
 
Blue Hefner said:
It has not been ignored, has it? But for the sake of argument let’s pretend it has been. Let’s say some voter for a Norway option but are now being told we will now rip up 40years worth of agreements. I don’t think that’s acceptable - that is taking someone’s vote and taking liberties

On top of that it was an advisory referendum so they are free to ignore it if they wish. But like I said, I don’t accept it has been ignored. There is an offer on the table it’s just that some thought it left us worse off than we are now(as is an MPs right) and some thought it wasn’t Brexitey enough, which again is their right. Which leaves us where we are now

So now, we have two clear and obvious options. Rip everything up or stay as we are
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Ignored was probably the wrong terminology not enacted would be nearer the mark, I suppose we could also pretend the Prime Minister of the day didn't promise that Her Majesties Government would act on the result of a two question referendum ie stay in the European Union in what ever form or direction it decides to take( which we have no way of knowing) or Leave the European Union I certainly don't recall any caveats about some imaginary wonder deal only, on my voting form it simply said remain or leave.
So by all means have a second referendum peoples vote whatever to clarify things with two questions do you want to leave with the deal agreed with the European Union or just Leave nothing could be more certain then.
 
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