Another new Brexit thread

[bluejon]

You're totally misreading the situation mate.
The offer from the EU of a Canada deal option with a NI hive off has always been on the table.
Nothing to do with threatening no deal, the offer has always been there, it's just that Mavis wouldn't accept it.
It's a shit deal from an economic viewpoint but that's been forgotten now.

Threatening to stab yourself in the dick if you don't get your way is not a negotiating tactic, and anyone with half a brain knows this. As you said, there's always been options on the table but May was trying that hard to please all sides of her party that she never used it.

 

[mcfc1632]

Vintage?

He doesn't mention age groups.

Some of you have a real issue with age it seems?

TBF - increasingly we Leavers have been able to be confident that our 'arguments' have won the day sometime ago.

Increasingly a good number of Remainers make petty and snide comments - because it is all they have left to take comfort in

Interestingly, in the group that I was socialising with there was a really good cross-UK representation.

The local pub which is a focal point is run by a family from Belfast and a good number of other people from N.I. go there. This was the place inaugurated as a CITY supporters club last week.

Interestingly many of the regulars are from across Scotland and there are quite a few Welsh - in fact my last fourball was a representative of each of the 4 members of the UK.

Across that broad representation there was a very clear support for leaving - with no-deal a growing preference.

Just one of those inconvenient truths that are not welcomed

 

[Fred_Quimby]

You assume wrong.

That will never happen.

What will happen then? We will have border checks going across the Channel so one assumes that there must be some sort of check between the mainland and the Irish Republic. Not trying to be awkward just asking.

 

[lancs blue]

I think that message is quite clear unfortunately. I hope the U.K. and Ireland come out of this as unscathed as possible. Under the surface the union seems based more on convenience and self interest than desire, I find that a tad depressing.

Desire?? You do realise that the respective Acts of Union were more or less imposed on Scotland and Ireland by England, using a mix of bribery, unrepresentative Parliaments and the implicit threat of military force - yet you wonder why there is a significant lack of desire for the Union in NI and Scotland?

 

[Blue Hefner]

The pro-Boris crowing in the media this morning is unsurprising but odd. I'd be amazed if we haven't given some significant ground here. Farage is already whinging that we're leaving the EU to join a treaty, which will more than likely be May's deal by another name. Am fully expecting "BRINO" to start trending again.

The pro-Boris crowing in the media this morning is unsurprising but odd. I'd be amazed if we haven't given some significant ground here. Farage is already whinging that we're leaving the EU to join a treaty, which will more than likely be May's deal by another name. Am fully expecting "BRINO" to start trending again.

4 callers on LBC last night when this news broke:

1- didn’t ‘trust’ what was going on. Whatever that meant
2 - doesn’t want a deal. He voted for a ‘clean’ break
3 - he would rather remain but accepts a deal and is relatively happy on that basis
4 - nutcase. Banged on about how we paid whatever we owe to the EU during WW2 and that we should just walk out

Now I accept that late night radio probably isn’t the place for balanced opinion but those 4 examples show that there is a Farage-esque constituency still out there and if he wants to, he can get them going. As it turns out, I don’t think he will because he will not want to overplay his hand

However he will be back in a couple of years banging on about ‘if only’

 

[mcfc1632]

I'm an old **** been around long enough to know the age profile of people who frequent Mediterranean Europe off season. He was however responding to a conversation of how people overseas view the shitshow......those with no skin in the 'game'

Ha ha - you could hardly have got that more wrong

What you mean is that you are quick to jump to conclusions and twist matters to whatever you want to make a really poor point

1. I go there throughout the year and >90% of the people I would speak to live and work there and I go there that often that I am viewed as a local. None of the people that I refer to are, as you suggest, off-season UK holidaymakers.

2. You should learn to read before jumping in - I said that they do have skin in the game and are not just observers. You might logically think that UK citizens living and working Cyprus would just want things to stay the way they are/were.

So basically - 0/10 for that contribution - it was basically just bollocks

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

Not really. He's not even told the cabinet yet.

I thought so. Really not sure how anyone can start crowing about 'their team' winning when they don't know the details yet

 

[blueinsa]

Tusk sucking on the bitterest of lemons then was great to watch

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

It really is quite pathetic but utterly predictable that the remain brigade and Corbyn worshippers on here are slagging off the results of the meeting between Veradkar and Johnson without even know what they are!

 

[BobKowalski]

You assume wrong.

That will never happen.

The Telegraph begs to differ. The price of Brexit is NI. The best way to monitor Govt thinking on Brexit is check out the Telegraph.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...eland-burden-rest-uk-cant-let-get-way-brexit/

 

[blueinsa]

The Telegraph begs to differ. The price of Brexit is NI. The best way to monitor Govt thinking on Brexit is check out the Telegraph.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...eland-burden-rest-uk-cant-let-get-way-brexit/

Paywall and we will see what the price of brexit was when its announced by those negotiating it and not RTE or the Telegraph.

 

[Ric]

It really is quite pathetic but utterly predictable that the remain brigade and Corbyn worshippers on here are slagging off the results of the meeting between Veradkar and Johnson without even know what they are!

If you were being objective, you could say the same about the leave brigade and Johnson worshippers on here celebrating the results of the meeting between Veradkar and Johnson without even knowing what they are!

 

[blueinsa]

If you were being objective, you could say the same about the leave brigade and Johnson worshippers on here celebrating the results of the meeting between Veradkar and Johnson without even knowing what they are!

Its called celebrating a possible deal is in sight to end this fiasco.

Shoot me.

 

[mcfc1632]

OH - fuck - Tusk just making a statement - rowing back from his statement of last week that 'today was the deadline' and mentioning that there is movement......

I really do hope to see many posts admitting people were wrong to, some simply in their obstinance, nit to recognise the truth of the statement:

"We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they face the prospect of a viable No-Deal option - and the political will to use it."

We are all blues - therefore people of good character - so I am sure that there will be a lot of manning-up and admissions of having been wrong.

No matter where this movement leads to - there is indeed movement from the EU as it starts to see the prospect of a no-deal outcome so this point is proven!!!!

So - no squirming or obfuscating - let's see some manning up

 

[Ric]

Its called celebrating a possible deal is in sight to end this fiasco.

Shoot me.

Don't be so touchy, I was just pointing out the hypocrisy in his post.

 

[BobKowalski]

What will happen then? We will have border checks going across the Channel so one assumes that there must be some sort of check between the mainland and the Irish Republic. Not trying to be awkward just asking.

There will be a customs border for goods in the Irish Sea. The choice was always binary. A land border or a sea border. EU and Dublin wanted a sea border and are willing to facilitate a sea border. The price for a sea border is a fudgy compromise on customs status for NI. How this affects the people travelling between NI and mainland Britain is unclear but ‘services’ is ‘people’ so there will be some checks.

Extraordinary when you think that the purpose of Brexit is to impose sanctions on ourselves.

 

[joe123]

It really is quite pathetic but utterly predictable that the remain brigade and Corbyn worshippers on here are slagging off the results of the meeting between Veradkar and Johnson without even know what they are!

Don't think its that really. It's just the natural reaction to be skeptical/optimistic given which side of the debate you're on whilst none of us know whats been said.

 

[blueinsa]

Don't be so touchy, I was just pointing out the hypocrisy in his post.

I dont see any hypocrisy in his post.

I see committed remainers, not posters against no deal brexit, committed remainers who have said they want us to revoke sucking on lemons almost at the positive news that came out yesterday.

Each to their own I suppose but the fact is we do know some detail and that is those important and involved are now publicly stating they can see a path to a deal.

 

[joe123]

There will be a customs border for goods in the Irish Sea. The choice was always binary. A land border or a sea border. EU and Dublin wanted a sea border and are willing to facilitate a sea border. The price for a sea border is a fudgy compromise on customs status for NI. How this affects the people travelling between NI and mainland Britain is unclear but ‘services’ is ‘people’ so there will be some checks.

Extraordinary when you think that the purpose of Brexit is to impose sanctions on ourselves.

yeah, but is our red tape mate. good, proper, british tape.

 

[BobKowalski]

OH - fuck - Tusk just making a statement - rowing back from his statement of last week that 'today was the deadline' and mentioning that there is movement......

I really do hope to see many posts admitting people were wrong to, some simply in their obstinance, nit to recognise the truth of the statement:

"We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they face the prospect of a viable No-Deal option - and the political will to use it."

We are all blues - therefore people of good character - so I am sure that there will be a lot of manning-up and admissions of having been wrong.

No matter where this movement leads to - there is indeed movement from the EU as it starts to see the prospect of a no-deal outcome so this point is proven!!!!

So - no squirming or obfuscating - let's see some manning up

Is this the time to mention the Benn Act or point out that no deal was taken off the table and it was more a need to find a deal because both sides desire a deal than anything else?

Let me know because this could be a fun day.