Another new Brexit thread

[Coatigan]

It was a historical joke. Ethiopia was the only African nation never to be colonised by a European power, discounting Liberia.

Sure, although technically eritrea though was it not?

it was more the 18th century playbook.
I'll get it to work yet, there's something im this, i can feel it.

 

[Coatigan]

And what happened to the Tory majority as a result?

Erm. They fucking won! and got brexit in. It was in theit 2015 manifesto.

 

[Damocles]

Thanks for the tip.

Maybe now you'll get the point.

 

[Ban-jani]

Of all the mistakes when negotiating the biggest is binding yourself to an immovable timeline. The fact he got this wrong, as his first move, should have set alarms off with his fan club.

I do agree.

I think he set the deadline to win the leadership contest and then prepare to lay the blame game. Part of me thinks he never expected to get Brexit done but he can now blame the ‘surrender act’ and parliament for the delay.

 

[Metal Biker]

Erm. They fucking won! and got brexit in. It was in theit 2015 manifesto.

Thought you were referencing the 2017 election.

Has it happened yet, this repeal of the HRA?

 

[blueparrot]

I do agree.

I think he set the deadline to win the leadership contest and then prepare to lay the blame game. Part of me thinks he never expected to get Brexit done but he can now blame the ‘surrender act’ and parliament for the delay.

Possibly that, but think he's never taken any interest in the detail and though blind optimism and waving his no deal stick would be enough, and only in the last few weeks has the difficulty and reality that May faced dawned on him.

 

[Coatigan]

Thought you were referencing the 2017 election.

Has it happened yet, this repeal of the HRA?

No. it can't, want to guess why?

You can't actually be That naive?

 

[Ban-jani]

Possibly that, but think he's never taken any interest in the detail and though blind optimism and waving his no deal stick would be enough, and only in the last few weeks has the difficulty and reality that May faced dawned on him.

Yeah I don’t disagree with that.

 

[Metal Biker]

No. it can't, want to guess why?

You can't actually be That naive?

And you also know that the HRA is a requirement of being in the EU?

It's not actually defined or controlled by the EU, only that it is a requirement for all members to accept. Repealing the HRA is a death sentence for any political party and would never pass Parliament. You're fearing something that won't happen and it's ruling your thoughts.

 

[mcfc1632]

The remain campaign scared people into voting to remain by painting pictures of financial Armageddon immediately after a vote to leave.

Look mate I'm not laying out the ref campaign yet again.

Its been done to death and as per the BBC article this morning, literally no one has changed their minds on the issue.

Can I also point out Parliament are not interested in a second ref either other than the revokers who only want to use it to get what they want.

Love the way we Leavers get told what we think and the reasons we think it

This is another area where nothing as changed over the years

Every time the Remainers get some positive news they get all giddy and come out and engage

And, of course, their comforter is the way the campaign was run - ignoring all the impact of Project Fear

But...…...

 

[bluethrunthru]

I WANT A HOVER BOARD!!!

Tbh, have seen nothing being implemented as a result of the £1.5bn we supposedly got.....supposedly parts of the NHS have been initiating and developing new projects on the back of the promise of these funds....however, i am also aware of services that have had to close because our lack of government means noone is signing off any funding....jobs are being lost, and services being cut.

If its like any other govt money promises then probably only about £130.00 of the £1.5bn has been delivered as yet.....................

 

[bluethrunthru]

I do agree.

I think he set the deadline to win the leadership contest and then prepare to lay the blame game. Part of me thinks he never expected to get Brexit done but he can now blame the ‘surrender act’ and parliament for the delay.

High stakes game then.............I mean surely nobody would risk all in a way like that? You'd have to be a total ****.... the sort of person who cheats on your wife AND lover....the sort of person who habitually and routinely lies... the sor................oh hang on a minute. He would wouldn't he? He'd see it as such a game.

 

[Coatigan]

And you also know that the HRA is a requirement of being in the EU?

It's not actually defined or controlled by the EU, only that it is a requirement for all members to accept. Repealing the HRA is a death sentence for any political party and would never pass Parliament. You're fearing something that won't happen and it's ruling your thoughts.

Oh God, really?

Geezo, don't even bother. Face palm.

Other leavers (here) seem to at least know the absolute basics of the EU. What on earth did you base your vote on!

 

[Metal Biker]

Oh God, really?

Geezo, don't even bother. Face palm.

Other leavers (here) seem to at least know the absolute basics of the EU. What on earth did you base your vote on!

You genuinely think the HRA is going to be repealed by a Tory Government...

I think Project Fear has muddled your brain. The ECHR is not the same as the EU. The EU applies all laws the ECHR agrees, and membership of the bloc requires members to conform to the ECHR. We gave it our own fancy name, but it in essence is the same thing.

We cannot repeal it as a member of the EU. If we leave we have the choice to repeal it, but such an act would never pass a vote in Parliament. Better?

 

[Coatigan]

You genuinely think the HRA is going to be repealed by a Tory Government...

I think Project Fear has muddled your brain. The ECHR is not the same as the EU. The EU applies all laws the ECHR agrees, and membership of the bloc requires members to conform to the ECHR. We gave it our own fancy name, but it in essence is the same thing.

We cannot repeal it as a member of the EU. If we leave we have the choice to repeal it, but such an act would never pass a vote in Parliament. Better?

Yes, well done.

And yes i absolutely think the Tories WILL repeal Human Rights, as soon as we're out of the EU. It is in their manifesto, they have the mandate, it is as much their 'democratic duty' to do that as it is to, say, deliver Brexit!

 

[mcfc1632]

Why? We've been told for years that "people have changed their minds". All the evidence shows that people haven't, not by a large enough margin to justify holding a second referendum on membership, because if you did manage to get your way and overturn the first result with a slim margin, there is absolutely nothing to suggest the "losing" side would or should back down and be silent, demand another referendum, so the whole issue drags on and on with the UK still in this hokey-cokey limbo with the EU.

You want this finished and over? Back leaving with a deal and once we're out, begin a campaign for us to rejoin the EU.

The reality - and it is very very obvious - is that Remainers want a 2nd referendum so that if they win that then that will be us remaining - and of course they want to load the question in their favour with Remain against a deal that has been negotiated with the UK hamstrung by the sycophants at Westminster - so not as good a deal as we could get

Of course - whilst if they win - that will be it - if Leave win it will just be them starting again the same fucking about as they have for 3 years

If there was to be a referendum it should be the negotiated deal against No-Deal

That would have the benefit of respecting democracy - and of course we would then see the EU shift to offer a better deal

 

[journolud]

Every time the Remainers get some positive news they get all giddy and come out and engage



But...…...

Unlike the leavers who were not at all giddy a few days ago at the prospect of a deal and certainly weren’t telling remainders to man up and accept the inevitable. Now prospects seem to be receding a bit leavers have definitely not resorted to blaming the EU sycophants and whining about the death of democracy.

I’ll save you the bother of rating it, this is a good post.

 

[dave_blue12]

Yes, well done.

And yes i absolutely think the Tories WILL repeal Human Rights, as soon as we're out of the EU. It is in their manifesto, they have the mandate, it is as much their 'democratic duty' to do that as it is to, say, deliver Brexit!

He thinks Brexit is about sovereignty - bless.

Truth is, of course, it's all about money. Isn't it always ?

The obscenely wealthy want to be even more obscenely wealthy and the moderately wealthy are happy to help them for a cut.

Naive doesn't begin to cover it.

As I said on the original thread many, many moons ago, lube up because we (the people) are going to get arse fucked.

 

[Metal Biker]

Yes, well done.

And yes i absolutely think the Tories WILL repeal Human Rights, as soon as we're out of the EU. It is in their manifesto, they have the mandate, it is as much their 'democratic duty' to do that as it is to, say, deliver Brexit!

So what was all that "other leavers know about the EU" BS all about? I feel like I have to explain things over and over with you guys because your rage clouds your rationality when you read my posts.

Tories can promise what they like, reality is no Parliament or opposition will ever back a call to repeal the HRA. You're fretting over something exceptionally unlikely.

 

[Ban-jani]

You genuinely think the HRA is going to be repealed by a Tory Government...

I think Project Fear has muddled your brain. The ECHR is not the same as the EU. The EU applies all laws the ECHR agrees, and membership of the bloc requires members to conform to the ECHR. We gave it our own fancy name, but it in essence is the same thing.

We cannot repeal it as a member of the EU. If we leave we have the choice to repeal it, but such an act would never pass a vote in Parliament. Better?

I think they will, as they’ve said they’re going to “look at it”.