Another new Brexit thread

[mat]

I think it’ll pass by a handful of votes on Saturday.

It wouldn't surprise if it did with a percentage of 52/48

 

[Ban-jani]

Yes he has. If you go back on this thread you were clearly stating that there were to be no further negotiations, the WA could not be reopened and all sorts of other bollocks that wasn't true. I'll leave you to bump your own posts.

Again with the mistruths, the EU were saying Johnson wasn’t negotiating, I and others merely repeated that. The Withdrawal Agreement wasn’t “reopened”, he’s just added on to it something offered 2 years ago.

I never said they’d be “no further negotiations”, I said the EU are waiting for a proper proposal and not a half arsed attempt at putting customs infrastructure away from the border.

What has happened is Johnson, with his “die in a ditch” deadline approaching and his plan A rejected, has buckled massively and has put something forward the Tories were completely against two years ago, out of desperation.

Nothing has been vindicated and none of you lot have been proved right (I’m laughing at the thought of you and mcfc1632 imagine you have).

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It wouldn't surprise if it did with a percentage of 52/48

You’d be buzzing if that was the case ;-)

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Corbyn is such a fucking wanker, he really is.

 

[1.618034]

I think it'll be tight whichever way it goes.

Kenneth Williams gif

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Again with the mistruths, the EU were saying Johnson wasn’t negotiating, I and others merely repeated that. The Withdrawal Agreement wasn’t “reopened”, he’s just added on to it something offered 2 years ago.

I never said they’d be “no further negotiations”, I said the EU are waiting for a proper proposal and not a half arsed attempt at putting customs infrastructure away from the border.

What has happened is Johnson, with his “die in a ditch” deadline approaching and his plan A rejected, has buckled massively and has put something forward the Tories were completely against two years ago, out of desperation.

Nothing has been vindicated and none of you lot have been proved right (I’m laughing at the thought of you and mcfc1632 imagine you have).

Probably as much as he could achieve shackled by the ben act. You've just got a slapped arse on because he's managed to deliver on his promise. If he didn't have the gun of asking for an extension held to his head by folk pretending they want a deal he may have acheived more, but we'll never know I suppose.

 

[mat]

You’d be buzzing if that was the case ;-)

Politically and professionally that figure has stalked me the past 3 years.

 

[mat]

Corbyn is such a fucking wanker, he really is.

I think you'd like him if you met him.

 

[Ban-jani]

Probably as much as he could achieve shackled by the ben act. You've just got a slapped arse on because he's managed to deliver on his promise. If he didn't have the gun of asking for an extension held to his head by folk pretending they want a deal he may have acheived more, but we'll never know I suppose.

Again, another falsehood.

I’ll leave it to your fellow leavers @kevin horlocks wand @Mëtal Bikër @blueinsa to confirm that I’ve been saying for weeks I hope a deal is done. They may disagree with me often, especially the latter of the trio but I’m sure they’d be kind enough to confirm.

If this passes on Saturday, I’ll give a sigh of relief.

Oh and with reference to threatening no deal, it wasn’t working and wouldn’t have worked. The Benn Act did nothing but force Johnson to go for this deal, because it was this or no deal, the EU were meeting his bluff.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I think you'd like him if you met him.

I like most people when I meet them :-)

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Again, another falsehood.

I’ll leave it to your fellow leavers @kevin horlocks wand @Mëtal Bikër @blueinsa to confirm that I’ve been saying for weeks I hope a deal is done. They may disagree with me often, especially the latter of the trio but I’m sure they’d be kind enough to confirm.

If this passes on Saturday, I’ll give a sigh of relief.

Oh and with reference to threatening no deal, it wasn’t working and wouldn’t have worked. The Benn Act did nothing but force Johnson to go for this deal, because it was this or no deal, the EU were meeting his bluff.

Not just you mate, most of Labour and the SNP were desperate for a deal too! Now he's managed to get one clowns are clowning.

 

[hilts]

It wouldn't surprise if it did with a percentage of 52/48

Fuck that means they will have to vote again

 

[mat]

Fuck that means they will have to vote again

I voted remain but fuck that!

If it's done, it's done. We move on.

 

[Ban-jani]

Not just you mate, most of Labour and the SNP were desperate for a deal too! Now he's managed to get one clowns are clowning.

Well I’m not Labour nor am I the SNP, certainly not the fucking SNP, and I’m not clowning.

The truth is that Johnson hasn’t performed a miracle, he’s caved in, Bluemoon’s leave vote hasn’t been proven correct by claiming the EU will cave or no deal will work, they’ve accepted something they already offered years ago.

I prefer the deal to May’s but it still comes at a cost, both to Unionism in NI and our economy will still be hit.

 

[bluethrunthru]

what a winner

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-growth-brexit-deal-passed-official-estimates

 

[Ban-jani]

what a winner

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-growth-brexit-deal-passed-official-estimates

It’s almost as though people warned leaving would be worse than remaining.

 

[yerwot?]

Yep, I can see a few being very torn between sticking two fingers up at Boris or their own leader. Faced with such a difficult choice you never know - they might resort to doing what they think most benefits the country instead of their own agendas.

There-in lies the nub of the entire tragedy, the "country" is utterly riven. Right-wing ideology versus left-wing ideology in a death-dance, complicated by the city/village dichotomy, the young/old split and the fact the two parties of traditional politics are themselves in effect divided. Never been a worse time to take a gamble for such high stakes, brought about by stampeding parliament into a frantic chaotic shambles.
In fact, it mirrors how the ref. came about, a binary vote to solve multi-faceted problems that the electorate did not even know existed. FFS

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

You do miss the main point(s)

Yes - the Irish Sea option was there years ago - so fucking what!!

Since then the EU has secured the all-UK unfettered backstop - far far better for the EU and, in particular Ireland, than this deal - so they have now had to go back to a previous good position - rather than a:

"Utterly fucking wonderful position that fell in their lap and was the best ever thing they could hope for"

Yep - Robbins and May were that shit

Top tip - if you ever find yourself having to do serious negotiations (not just the admin) - delegate upwards or downwards

So good even Mr Johnson himself said no prime minister should ever negotiate such a deal

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Both sides need to have a veto. I think I tried to explain this before.

Sounds like they are talking about a straight majority in the assembly instead which strikes me as being against the GFA.
But the GFA and Brexit are two entirely different things as I was at pains to point out for a long time now.

 

[Ban-jani]

I know that but at least it's got you fuckers like a cat on hot bricks, go Boris go

Erm, I hope a deal goes through so you’re bragging at the wrong person.

You remind me of someone who chooses Utd during the 90’s because their own life isn’t offering them enough, then they proceed to brag in everyone’s faces to make themselves feel better.