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It feels like it’s never going to end now. The lettwin amendment is designed to basically delay brexit again.....

We have a parliament that just doesn’t want us to leave the eu. Another referdum doesn’t solve anything and will make the divides even bigger.
 
Rascal said:
If I could be bothered I would post a long rebuttal of this point, but as it stands the mud has stuck and that mud is a danger to the democratic principles we abide by.
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Would that be the mud on Sir Peter Viggers floating duck house? Will your rebuttal include evidence on behalf of the MP’s who were charged with criminal offences.
 
Peter Kyle the Labour MP just spoke well

I am anti referendum, but he made the case for a confirmatory referendum with more conviction than anybody I have ever heard make the case. It actually made sense. It keeps the deal alive if it is defeated in Parliament and puts it back to the people. I sort of get that and I really do not think referendums should ever be used in our system, It would as he said bring the matter to a final conclusion if legislated for properly
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
It feels like it’s never going to end now. The lettwin amendment is designed to basically delay brexit again.....

We have a parliament that just doesn’t want us to leave the eu. Another referdum doesn’t solve anything and will make the divides even bigger.
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Watched a labour MP yesterday say what we need to solve this is a referendum, how he keep his face straight is beyond me practise I suppose. We need a general election to put this to bed. On a side note what times the vote I don't want to miss much of Zulu listening to the drivel being spouted.
 
Gray said:
Would that be the mud on Sir Peter Viggers floating duck house? Will your rebuttal include evidence on behalf of the MP’s who were charged with criminal offences.
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If you want to comment on it like that, anything I post is not going to change your mind. There were causes and effects and in many ways it was the starting point for where we are at today.
 
Rascal said:
Peter Kyle the Labour MP just spoke well

I am anti referendum, but he made the case for a confirmatory referendum with more conviction than anybody I have ever heard make the case. It actually made sense. It keeps the deal alive if it is defeated in Parliament and puts it back to the people. I sort of get that and I really do not think referendums should ever be used in our system, It would as he said bring the matter to a final conclusion if legislated for properly
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As a leave voter i will accept parliament revoking A50 tonight if that's what they decide.

I will then make my displeasure known at the ballot box come the GE.

A second ref or confirmatory ref will cause a civil war in this country.

It is simply unacceptable to ask for a second ref when you wont accept the result of the first for no other reason than you didn't like it!

Classic EU tactics as shown by history, one that we all said would happen before the first ref and they can fuck off.

Yes i feel that strongly about it.
 
Christ alive, I'm flicking between this and parliament, every time I go to that, it's the same fat Jock ranting, for fucks
sake, whoever is the next PM, give this shower another independence vote.
 
blueinsa said:
As a leave voter i will accept parliament revoking A50 tonight if that's what they decide.

I will then make my displeasure known at the ballot box come the GE.

A second ref or confirmatory ref will cause a civil war in this country.

It is simply unacceptable to ask for a second ref when you wont accept the result of the first for no other reason than you didn't like it!

Classic EU tactics as shown by history, one that we all said would happen before the first ref and they can fuck off.

Yes i feel that strongly about it.
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Which is fair enough, I thought he offered a clever way out of the impasse.

But then I don't feel strongly about it, I have no real conviction either way to be honest.
 
blueinsa said:
As a leave voter i will accept parliament revoking A50 tonight if that's what they decide.

I will then make my displeasure known at the ballot box come the GE.

A second ref or confirmatory ref will cause a civil war in this country.

It is simply unacceptable to ask for a second ref when you wont accept the result of the first for no other reason than you didn't like it!

Classic EU tactics as shown by history, one that we all said would happen before the first ref and they can fuck off.

Yes i feel that strongly about it.
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I'm perfectly in favour of a second referendum . Infact I actively encourage one .

After we have implemented the result of the first one and not a day before.

You cannot call yourself a democracy and in the same breath tell people you are refusing to implement their democratic choice . You cannot have a second ref without first plenting the result of the first one . To do so is saying to the watching world "boardroom votes are worth more than working xlass votes . Affluent suburban votes are worth more than working class votes . The votes of the CEO class is worth more than the vote of the poor sod who cleans his office". In short we would cease to have any claim on calling ourselves a democracy .

Have a second ref after we have left. You would have to wait a suitable amount of time, maybe 45 years or so.

And then watch the results pile in. Remain out of the EU.

Anything less is a sham .An affluent middle class attack on the working classes . (Or "illiterate, ignorant northern scum" as they think of us)
 
blueinsa said:
As a leave voter i will accept parliament revoking A50 tonight if that's what they decide.

I will then make my displeasure known at the ballot box come the GE.

A second ref or confirmatory ref will cause a civil war in this country.

It is simply unacceptable to ask for a second ref when you wont accept the result of the first for no other reason than you didn't like it!

Classic EU tactics as shown by history, one that we all said would happen before the first ref and they can fuck off.

Yes i feel that strongly about it.
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People aren’t against it because they don’t like it. They are against it because it’s suicide. The country is going to be by far in a worse state than it currently is. If it was going to be remotely here nor there most people are so fucking tired of Brexit they’d simply be like just deal, no deal, just end it. But it’s still, clearly, fucking idiotic...
 
Rascal said:
Which is fair enough, I thought he offered a clever way out of the impasse.

But then I don't feel strongly about it, I have no real conviction either way to be honest.
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My red line.

leave and have as many refs as they like to rejoin, not an issue and i will happily vote to stay out but rejoin wins by one vote, one single vote and i will fight tooth and nail for us to rejoin as per that result.

Our democracy does not ignore votes because a minority didn't fucking like the result.
 
blueinsa said:
As a leave voter i will accept parliament revoking A50 tonight if that's what they decide.

I will then make my displeasure known at the ballot box come the GE.

A second ref or confirmatory ref will cause a civil war in this country.

It is simply unacceptable to ask for a second ref when you wont accept the result of the first for no other reason than you didn't like it!

Classic EU tactics as shown by history, one that we all said would happen before the first ref and they can fuck off.

Yes i feel that strongly about it.
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Fucking lol.
 
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