Another new Brexit thread

[Saddleworth2]

Here's the ONE test Labout have specified:

1. Does it ensure we stay in the EU.

Honest to God, anyone who thinks that lot above is deliverable, must have a brain the size of a pea.

They are mutually incompatible objectives which are completely undeliverable as a whole.

@blueinsa beat you to it mate.

 

[blueinsa]

I seem to recall that’s what more or less what was promised by the Leave campaign. I’m puzzled at your response. Surely the Leave campaign wasn’t totally based on lies?

No it wasn't and had it been you wouldn't have been against it would you?

 

[George Hannah]

Ok. Fair enough. Ones that have a more representative system of government are inherently less dishonest, if that makes you feel better about our anachronistic bag of wank.

Do you mean other countries have more democratically representative systems of government than ours?
Would they be the ones at the top of this list?

 

[west didsblue]

No it wasn't and had it been you wouldn't have been against it would you?

If that was deliverable that would be fine. Which ones do you not mind not having? Same question for @Chippy_boy

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Or Brexit means Brexit.

Indeed , meaningless

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Do you mean other countries have more democratically representative systems of government than ours?
Would they be the ones at the top of this list?

9.58. Fucking joke.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Its insulting.

"We will negotiate a deal that ensure we have access to the SM, the CU and will ensure FOM and protect this, that and tother........"

Just revoke and get it fucking over with instead of insulting people.

Suprised they didn't add:

7. Eradicate world-wide famine

Yes, it is insulting to peoples' intelligence. The idea that we can have ALL of the same benefits, AND limit EU immigration, AND keep NI happy.

Why on earth didn't we think of this before??? Silly, silly Tories.

 

[Chippy_boy]

If that was deliverable that would be fine. Which ones do you not mind not having? Same question for @Chippy_boy

Well as a Remainer, I'd like all of them (although 4 is iffy*).

But I recognise that we've voted to leave and that 2, 3 and 6 are mutually incompatible. Therefore on balance I'd probably bin 6, which is pretty much where we are now.




* We prevent "a race to the bottom" by encouraging high-productivity and highly skilled, highly valued jobs. Not by "paying people more", which just makes companies uncompetitive and puts people out of work, as per Labour policy.

 

[blueinsa]

If that was deliverable that would be fine. Which ones do you not mind not having? Same question for @Chippy_boy

I want what the vote remain main 2 men said we would have to have if we voted to leave and that meant and end to our membership of the SM, CU and FOM.

I could live with less but that wasn't what the PM, Chancellor and the government remain campaign said we would have if we voted to leave.

 

[Ban-jani]

Just so you can tell what a helpful chap I am, here are the six tests Labour have specified:

1. Does it ensure a strong and collaborative future relationship with the EU?

2. Does it deliver the “exact same benefits” as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?

3. Does it ensure the fair management of migration in the interests of the economy and communities?

4. Does it defend rights and protections and prevent a race to the bottom?

5. Does it protect national security and our capacity to tackle cross-border crime?

6. Does it deliver for all regions and nations of the UK?

If you deliver on all of those, you don’t really leave.

 

[west didsblue]

Well as a Remainer, I'd like all of them (although 4 is iffy*).

But I recognise that we've voted to leave and that 2, 3 and 6 are mutually incompatible. Therefore on balance I'd probably bin 6, which is pretty much where we are now.




* We prevent "a race to the bottom" by encouraging high-productivity and highly skilled, highly valued jobs. Not by "paying people more", which just makes companies uncompetitive and puts people out of work, as per Labour policy.

Of course they’re incompatible but it’s what the Leave campaign said was achievable.

 

[west didsblue]

If you deliver on all of those, you don’t really leave.

EFTA/EEA would have been closest to delivering on all of them.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Farage was on TV this morning saying he was unhappy with the deal, would like an extension and a General Election

 

[Coatigan]

Or brexit with a customs union. Whats so bad about a Brexit with a customs union. Apart from it needing FOM and protections of workers rights which is why tories don’t like it. Why would Labours CU Brexit be bad ?

Erm, foreigners?

 

[west didsblue]

I want what the vote remain main 2 men said we would have to have if we voted to leave and that meant and end to our membership of the SM, CU and FOM.

I could live with less but that wasn't what the PM, Chancellor and the government remain campaign said we would have if we voted to leave.

Not really an answer to the question. Just to repeat, which of the six are you happy to give up in the name of democracy?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Of course they’re incompatible but it’s what the Leave campaign said was achievable.

True enough. And infuriating enough.

But every government since the dawn of time has promised god-knows-what in their manifesto as well, and we don't get to ignore GE results just because the party we wanted to win, didn't win.

 

[blueinsa]

Not really an answer to the question. Just to repeat, which of the six are you happy to give up in the name of democracy?

2 can go because we have to leave those two things to leave the EU.

The rest can all be protected and improved upon imo by our own Parliament.

We dont need the EU to do that.

 

[west didsblue]

2 can go because we have to leave those two things to leave the EU.

The rest can all be protected and improved upon imo by our own Parliament.

We dont need the EU to do that.

Good luck with that with Johnson the liar as PM and a sinking economy.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Farage was on TV this morning saying he was unhappy with the deal, would like an extension and a General Election

He's the most dishonest of the lot.

The deal on the table satisfies the criteria of "Leaving the EU" perfectly, and delivers on pretty much everything he wants. That he is effectively only going to be happy with "no deal", which is clearly vastly inferior, tells me he has er, "other motivations". I.e. is bent.

 

[blueinsa]

Good luck with that with Johnson the liar as PM and a sinking economy.

Conjecture based on your own confirmation bias.