Another new Brexit thread

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Rascal said:
I have sat on the fence throughout this whole charade, primarily because I do not believe the use of direct democracy in a representative democracy is in any way the correct option to solve anything. I have thought long and hard about this, I have always lent towards the lexit position because of my Socialist principles and I have come to a conclusion, for the first time I am no longer a 51/49 49/51 person I am now a 52/48 person.

As a result of genuinely trying to understand it all, even though a lot of it is way above my knowledge and intelligence I now realise for certain that we do have to leave, and the sooner the better. Simply because this impasse is tearing the country apart.

12 months ago I wasn't sure, 6 moths ago I was uncertain, now I know we have to and that whether we all agree or not we must. The referendum for its flaws and there were many has to be enacted upon. Then those who want to remain can campaign to rejoin if they wish but the democratic mandate will have been fulfilled and above all democracy must prevail.

I think Johnsons deal is shit, I think he is lying narcissistic philandering twat, I despise him and his deal is not good for the country but we are where we are and it has to end somewhere. I don't think any of us had any idea of the rancour this referendum would cause and the fallout will last a generation, the effects of it may well make us poorer, allow the hard right Tories to have their Singapore on Thames dreamland and it will damage our standing in the world. But the majority voted for it and without democracy what are we?
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Long term I'm not sure they will... time will tell
 
TheBlueDune said:
A fiasco of the highest order.
Asking a binary question when there was a broad range of opinion biased by deliberate lies and exaggeration from all sides.

A better question would have been to get an endorsement of a direction of travel - closer integration with EU or movement away.

The government could then have taken this as a mandate and acted accordingly.
It wouldn't have said we must adopt Euro or Schengen, or allow the narcissistic PM to put the foundation in place to destroy worker's rights, but would have given some clear indication of the people's preferences.
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Why is this being peddled by the opposition? Why will the PM or Govt consider destroying worker's rights? I just don't see it happening....
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Nobody even tries to claim that there will be any positives to leaving the EU any more. That stopped years ago.
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“Just get it done” is the new mantra.
The biggest impact change to affect this country outside of war, and the best reason to do it seems to be that everyone is fed up with it! Reality is the new satire.
 
blueinsa said:
Amazing how handy these religious, homophobic, anti abortion flat earth nutters can be.
Jezza and Arlene sitting up a tree.......
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'We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time.'
T S Eliot
 
TheBlueDune said:
A fiasco of the highest order.
Asking a binary question when there was a broad range of opinion biased by deliberate lies and exaggeration from all sides.

A better question would have been to get an endorsement of a direction of travel - closer integration with EU or movement away.

The government could then have taken this as a mandate and acted accordingly.
It wouldn't have said we must adopt Euro or Schengen, or allow the narcissistic PM to put the foundation in place to destroy worker's rights, but would have given some clear indication of the people's preferences.
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The referendum should never have happened in the first place it was Cameron's fault because he though he was fucking Jesus or something after winning the Scottish referendum (mainly due to the interventions of Brown and Darling) he thought he could part the red sea or see off the ERG and paint Farage's face and it failed spectaculary. One of the problems with referendums if that they need to be conclusive you need late 60's 70% for them to work. You cannot do anything for the greater good of the people when you have narrow win it just doesn't work. What we are seeing now is just proof of all that. Most people aren't fools its politicians that think that are cleverer than them and can take them for fools that are.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
I read through Lucas' post this morning , he has Gove Johnson & Cummings as the main actors in Brexit .... with their hands all over the Electoral breaches... his questions to Johnson asking him to force Gove to respond to various questions and accusations have been met with radio silence... making Johnson complicit and actively obstructing Parliament.

A prison cell should be waiting for the three of them.
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Unfortunately that prison cell will only become a reality if we have a Government with real integrity.

I'm not holding my breath.
 
mcfc1632 said:
No problem - but with regards to your request - please excuse me if I do not waste time on you

That you need to ask shows that you have jumped into the middle of an exchange on a subject of which you confess to knowing nothing about
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What the fuck is wrong with you. Yes i asked questions, because i hoped people would explain to me, not to receive completly unnesecary arrogant haughty remarks about how i am not informed about decade's of speakers about Bercow. DUH. I'm allowed to not be all knowing and ask questions. I asked other questions to you and you didn't answer those, but you did write a long post to emphasise that there was something i don't know and that hence i should feel ashamed for it? What sort of rediculous childish beghaviour is that? Just a enourmesly rediculous thing for you to write a reply of that lenght just to not answer the question but remark "i wont waste my time with you" while actually ironicly replying

And i have to say, for me this was youre final chance, from now on youre on my ignore list. It's not because i have something against you, it's just that it's absolutly worthless and a complete waste of time to debate with you and i'm tired to see youre posts clutter the thread as if it should invite to post to that nonesense. I neither expect you to see "the light" if i explain it to you, youre stubborn AF and arrogant at it.
 
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Gaylord du Bois said:
IRA sympathising leadership looking to join forces with Unionists. What could go wrong?
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