Can't argue with any of that mate. Interestingly, when we were in the pub on Saturday watching the match a mate asked me, in view of the past 3 years or so of chaos and with us effectively still not past first base, would I vote any differently if there was a second in-out referendum. I said I'd seriously consider voting to remain, albeit reluctantly.
It's hard to read stuff with people talking all around you.I don't know why anyone has a problem, most of them have already decided on the deal so by logic they have surely already read it.
Corbyn is the fastest reader I know and managed to read it so fast that he had decided the oppositions policy just hours after the documents were published.
I also watched Parliament TV for 5 minutes yesterday and there was no bugger there so they don't seem up for debating it anyway.
How can the country socially heal when we've effectively given NI to the EU without asking them, and the next few years Scotland will be doing their best to extricate themselves from the UK and get the same terms as NI in the short term with a view to independence and EU membership?
Seems a fair assessment of the problem now.I've literally just listened to several remain MP's say they have to rule out no deal, followed by them saying they have ruled out no deal, followed by them saying they have to rule out no deal followed by them saying they have ruled out no deal...................................
Really good post thatso you are going to ask the public who could not understand a simple in out referendum apparently to Understand a legal agreement in detail ?
you want to ask the public to back a deal which the House of Commons themselves have not approved and manny have said is a bad deal
you expect leave voters to believe that if they voted for the deal that parlaiment would implement it, because this time it’s different?
you expect the result either way would resolve the division in the country?
Lib Dem’s have already said they want revoke and would not respect a second referendum result? ( although if it went there way they would , that’s modern liberal democracy for you )
I've literally just listened to several remain MP's say they have to rule out no deal, followed by them saying they have ruled out no deal, followed by them saying they have to rule out no deal followed by them saying they have ruled out no deal...................................
That should not be surprising - It has generally always been only the Leavers that have demonstrated a sense of compromise
Seems a fair assessment of the problem now.
I agree but it's a big IFAt present the vast majority of investment is in a couple of regions of England. Without frictionless access to the biggest local market, that investment will migrate to an area that does have that access. It's common sense. There are millions of Scoots that have relocated to England for better opportunities. If the opportunities start to improve north of the border there'll be no shortage of people willing to move to where the jobs and investment are.
Too late to prevent it whether this deal passes or not. I take it your negotiating stance will now be to spend billions to make it look like we could end transition with No Deal, in order to get a good deal. That doesn't sound like compromise, or putting an end to anything.Ha ha - good one that
So perhaps Remainers should get behind the deal on offer and show some compromise to prevent dystopia?
I don't know why anyone has a problem, most of them have already decided on the deal so by logic they have surely already read it.
Corbyn is the fastest reader I know and managed to read it so fast that he had decided the oppositions policy just hours after the documents were published.
I also watched Parliament TV for 5 minutes yesterday and there was no bugger there so they don't seem up for debating it anyway.
The Swiss have used referendums much more than we do and therefore have developed fail safe rules. As such that is democratic (in this instance, on a vote about tax, one side had claimed a figure of 80,000 couples when the the figure was in reality 500,000). I wouldn't mind developing the same system in the UK, but it needs testing on less important subjects first, methinks.Badly flawed and based on lies. None of this shit came up during the campaign or did I miss the bit where we were going to cede economic control of one of the home nations and put up an internal customs border within our our Union?
The Swiss recently annulled a referendum as it was close and misinformation may have influenced the vote. They will now rerun it. Apparently that’s ‘undemocratic’.
The meaningful vote should be the on 30th October.
Plenty of time to analyse the current legislation and would also serve the purposes of Brexiteers. Job done.
But nobody will want this, because it's not ACTUALLY about any of those issues.
Really good post that
It will hopefully make a few look in the mirror - and be honest with themselves
Interestingly, if strong-minded people such as @Chippy_boy and @Ban-jani - I think also @gordondaviesmoustache ?? on this forum have come round to thinking that Leaving is necessary to get the country on a (slow) road to cohesion and recovery - then is it not possible/probable that is the emerging sentiment across the citizens of the UK.
Remainers have handled this quite badly IMO
I heard he made a statement some 26 minutes before the amendments were published stating that @Labour would oppose it
I heard he made a statement some 26 minutes before the amendments were published stating that @Labour would oppose it
No-brainerSo a new referendum is a clever ploy to keep us in the EU? Or a democratic way to see if enough people have come to their senses?
Ha ha - good one that
So perhaps Remainers should get behind the deal on offer and show some compromise to prevent dystopia?
Strange when the same guy said quite clearly that they either hadn't seen the document or hadn't had the time to study it...The official opposition get access prior to publication.