Another new Brexit thread

[MillionMilesAway]

When's the Queen's Speech debate? Have I missed it?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I blame twitter culture.

Ain't that the truth, twitter quotes from random no marks are de rigueur on here.

 

[urban genie]

True, but the public and the media seem to be loving it, worked for trump, society seems all about slogan politics just now.

I blame twitter culture.

Twitter it quite mixed left and right, I doubt one is winning over the other.

Also which public are loving it? The only public opiniob you get is wanky vox pops of the most useless people and we only.get shown the ines the news airs (normally the most clickbaity)

I really cannot predict what will happen in a GE but I expect a hung parliament and continuation of this pantomine

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

That's utter cobblers, 'About avoiding EU anti tax avoidance legislation?'
Labour will now, as we all know, throw in endless amendments, want discussions about referendums, anything to frustrate
Brexit, now this extension has passed, who is Oliver Murphy, and why has he not checked the fact that Mogg does not operate
any hedge funds?
All this daft politicking and smearing attempts may play to the remain gallery, OK, do it during an election campaign,
let's see if it works for Labour, at the moment their ratings are plummeting.

Labour throw in 'daft amendments' to protect you and the rest of us from being screwed over.

Why didn't Johnson accept the offer made to him last night? Because it would move the date to 31 Jan probably.


Oh and Somerset Capital Management is a 'hedge' fund

https://privatefunddata.com/fund-companies/somerset-capital-management-llp/

 

[Vic]

Yes. And look where it's got me. There comes a time with any adventure when you just have to say the game's up.

You've come to a great chasm and can't see a way across. Along comes an old man hinting you just need to believe, and he can get you there, but you hate the old man so give up and being "strong-minded" you go back to what you've tried to escape. Even if you could see the bridge you might settle for having wasted three years.



Just don't remind your new friends what you really think about their madcap idea.

 

[Coatigan]

It’s like a game of chess that the opposition are winning. They’ve voted through the legislation and voted to give themselves time to scrutinise it properly. Johnson’s response is to threaten to pull it and go for an election. If he was confident about how good his legislation was, he wouldn’t be worried about scrutiny and would accept the delay, so he is now coming across as rather churlish. Every step of the way he has attempted to avoid scrutiny, by delaying negotiations with the EU, by illegally proroguing, then by delaying the legislation to try and force it through with no scrutiny. Parliament has cleverly responded each step of the way and we are now in a position where the legislation can be scrutinised properly. I am now hopeful that there will be amendments proposed that ensure that the WA will include a customs union and will not preclude membership of the SM as part of the trade negotiations should it go through giving us the least worst version of Brexit.

Ah if only you worked in one of the media outlets.

That isn't the picture being painted for us. Sure, some might see through it. many will buy into what is plastered all over the place.

 

[Vic]

you seem to have a muddled and confused day yesterday

I hope you are feeling better today

If you've been involved no wonder we had 4000 posts to the thread, on a matchday.

4000? Anyone do a precis? Is anyone dying in a ditch? Has anyone else on here switched sides? Do Leavers want to bother with an economic analysis? Or is blind faith still the order of the day?

 

[Ban-jani]

I was distinguishing between those at Westminster and the public - including people on this forum

Not sure why you are saying:

"What people say on this forum has zero bearing on what happens in parliament.."

I was not suggesting it did

Fair enough

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Labour throw in 'daft amendments' to protect you and the rest of us from being screwed over.

Why didn't Johnson accept the offer made to him last night? Because it would move the date to 31 Jan probably.


Oh and Somerset Capital Management is a 'hedge' fund

https://privatefunddata.com/fund-companies/somerset-capital-management-llp/

There seems to be some confusion, I doubt Mogg has openly lied in parliament,




Some sites do say it's a hedge fund, some don't.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-accused-jeremy-12803192

 

[Vic]

When's the Queen's Speech debate? Have I missed it?

It was happening in the Lords yesterday.

 

[Coatigan]

Twitter it quite mixed left and right, I doubt one is winning over the other.

Also which public are loving it? The only public opiniob you get is wanky vox pops of the most useless people and we only.get shown the ines the news airs (normally the most clickbaity)

I really cannot predict what will happen in a GE but I expect a hung parliament and continuation of this pantomine

I meant more the nature if it, rather than specific feeds or platforms. I.e simplistic repeateble often meaningless catchphrase slogans that anyone can latch on to, as a pouplarity contest rather than substance merit.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

This deal isn't all it seems, it appears Johnson was lying yesterday in parliment about the fisheries policy as we won't have exclusive rights to our fishing waters. And adjudication on any trade disputes will be settled by the ECJ. The deal needs scrutiny.

 

[Len Rum]

When's the Queen's Speech debate? Have I missed it?

No you've not mate.
Originally proposed for Monday and Tuesday next week.
I mean Parliament was initially proroged for five weeks for this monumental event and so it is of course vital that this debate goes ahead otherwise it will look as if Liz was duped.

 

[blueinsa]

No you've not mate.
Originally proposed for Monday and Tuesday next week.
I mean Parliament was initially proroged for five weeks for this monumental event and so it is of course vital that this debate goes ahead otherwise it will look as if Liz was duped.

There is no deal, there is an international treaty that is non negotiable and certainly not amendable as MP's think it might be.

It isn't being agreed so revoke and call a GE.

The country needs at least the opportunity of returning a majority government, either leave or remain and lets put an end to this once and for all.

 

[Len Rum]

This deal isn't all it seems, it appears Johnson was lying yesterday in parliment about the fisheries policy as we won't have exclusive rights to our fishing waters. And adjudication on any trade disputes will be settled by the ECJ. The deal needs scrutiny.

Boom Boom!!!!

 

[Ancient Citizen]

So labour need time to scrutinise a bill that they've already described as 'Terrible.'
If they have reached such a conclusion, which has been delivered in a very forthright fashion, why the scrutiny?
Some people may get the impression it's just a mischievous delaying exercise, surely not?

 

[Vic]

There is no deal, there is an international treaty that is non negotiable and certainly not amendable as MP's think it might be.

It isn't being agreed so revoke and call a GE.

The country needs at least the opportunity of returning a majority government, either leave or remain and lets put an end to this once and for all.

If it was non-negotiable we would be stuck with May's WA. I thought we'd forced the EU to the negotiating table. No?

Very happy for your suggested way through.

 

[blueinsa]

If it was non-negotiable we would be stuck with May's WA. I thought we'd forced the EU to the negotiating table. No?

Very happy for your suggested way through.

Did MP amendments get the WA changed Vic?

No is the answer and you know that.

Glad we finally agree on revoke and a GE.

Hopefully that will see a return of a majority leave parliament and we can get out.

 

[Vic]

So labour need time to scrutinise a bill that they've already described as 'Terrible.'
If they have reached such a conclusion, which has been delivered in a very forthright fashion, why the scrutiny?
Some people may get the impression it's just a mischievous delaying exercise, surely not?

Simple. Every amendment shows why the deal is terrible, and some of the reality gets past the Tory Tabloid Telegraph Times just get on with it propaganda.

 

[blueinsa]

Simple. Every amendment shows why the deal is terrible, and some of the reality gets past the Tory Tabloid Telegraph Times just get on with it propaganda.

Or every amendment delays and frustrates because none of them will be agreed by Dublin or Brussels or our parliament.