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hammocity said:
General Election is inevitable, let’s get it done, BJ will piss it, I’m no fan but the Tories will select their candidates based on their support for Brexit. Not sure if JC had the same backing, however it will put this boring, expensive episode to bed.

The uncertainty has already cost industry in the UK, I’m talking through my pocket, it’s not fortunes but to my small business it’s hit me enough to make a dent. Others will be suffering much more, sick to death of it.
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You do know that there is at least 14 months before any further certainty and already peiople are saying that is not long enough. This shit show will go on for years and cost you and others far more down the line unless we back out of it. If you want it done quickly then you would argue for a 2nd ref and remain. That is the quickest way out. Brexit is shit.
 
Vic said:
Why isn't the EU now insisting on a longer implementation period?
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The EU is playing this pretty well from their perspective. They know it will be shit for us, their big concern was the ROI issue but now NI are out of the scope they can crack on without fear. When it all turns to shit the blame game will start and if our HoC agreed to a WA that didn't allow enough time that is not there problem. We would have to go back cap in hand and ask for more time and offer to pay more money in - that is fine by them. Makes our Government look incompetent (which they are). In the interim they start to change the SM rules to disadvantage us and start to think about the FTA and how they can disadvantage us further.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
So labour need time to scrutinise a bill that they've already described as 'Terrible.'
If they have reached such a conclusion, which has been delivered in a very forthright fashion, why the scrutiny?
Some people may get the impression it's just a mischievous delaying exercise, surely not?
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Because we are not averse to a deal .... but need to scrutinise a propose amendments ... after all it is a sovereign parliament
 
Vic said:
Reject sitting good constituency MPs you lose their personal vote.

This wouldn't end uncertainty.
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Tbh Vic there’s loads of pros and cons but too much self interest is playing with the lives of a lot of people. One of the manufacturers (aircraft industry) we courier parts for have laid off six workers in the past month. It’s all down to Rolls Royce moving a test facility from Derby to Germany, that’s when the reality of Brexit hits home, real peoples lives, not the theory based “what if” arguments that currently surround Brexit.
 
If the EU ignore the PM and offer an extension to 31st January, we're heading for a GE which he will win. Question is, will he then stick to the deal as agreed? Or are we heading for a much harder Brexit? I'd suggest the EU think long and hard about this.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
The Eu couldn't care less what we amend in the bill as long as it doesn't impact on them... so if we want to maintain parity with Eu environmental legislation for example they'll pass it
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It’s one of the quirks of any negotiated deal that if you propose something that potentially benefits the other side they mysteriously find ways to accommodate your proposal.
 
Gaudion M said:
You do know that there is at least 14 months before any further certainty and already peiople are saying that is not long enough. This shit show will go on for years and cost you and others far more down the line unless we back out of it. If you want it done quickly then you would argue for a 2nd ref and remain. That is the quickest way out. Brexit is shit.
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See my reply to Vic, I appreciate there’s loads of different arguments but this limbo is now affecting the lives of more and more of the population. It needs a rapid conclusion, I would love it if the Queen used her privilege and agreed to an Election without the consent of 434 MP’s, I think that would be the best outcome for this Country.
 
hgblue said:
If the EU ignore the PM and offer an extension to 31st January, we're heading for a GE which he will win. Question is, will he then stick to the deal as agreed? Or are we heading for a much harder Brexit? I'd suggest the EU think long and hard about this.
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My thoughts as well.

Extension and a GE brings Farage into the equation and Tory candidates that are far more brexity shall we say.

labour will also be shitting their pants as their leave ares imo will desert them.
 
hgblue said:
If the EU ignore the PM and offer an extension to 31st January, we're heading for a GE which he will win. Question is, will he then stick to the deal as agreed? Or are we heading for a much harder Brexit? I'd suggest the EU think long and hard about this.
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Yeah. Johnson may really ramp things up after cedeing on the internal customs border by threatening to join the Euro.
 
hammocity said:
Tbh Vic there’s loads of pros and cons but too much self interest is playing with the lives of a lot of people. One of the manufacturers (aircraft industry) we courier parts for have laid off six workers in the past month. It’s all down to Rolls Royce moving a test facility from Derby to Germany, that’s when the reality of Brexit hits home, real peoples lives, not the theory based “what if” arguments that currently surround Brexit.
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That will just get worse if we do leave.
 
hammocity said:
See my reply to Vic, I appreciate there’s loads of different arguments but this limbo is now affecting the lives of more and more of the population. It needs a rapid conclusion, I would love it if the Queen used her privilege and agreed to an Election without the consent of 434 MP’s, I think that would be the best outcome for this Country.
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I'm sure she'd rather suggest a PM without a majority should resign and let someone else have a go at forming a coalition government.
 
hgblue said:
If the EU ignore the PM and offer an extension to 31st January, we're heading for a GE which he will win. Question is, will he then stick to the deal as agreed? Or are we heading for a much harder Brexit? I'd suggest the EU think long and hard about this.
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The latest portmanteau I heard was that we'd most likely be offered a Flextension, with a couple of jumping off points available prior to January, which seems pragmatic enough to be offered, given there will be some in the EU who don't want it to drag on and others who are happy to.
 
BobKowalski said:
Yeah. Johnson may really ramp things up after cedeing on the internal customs border by threatening to join the Euro.
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He's agreed a deal which I'm sure he's not completely happy with in order to get it through a Remain dominated Parliament, that won't be the case after the election. If the EU like this deal, then I'd expect them to listen to Boris's request regarding the extension, because he's demonstrated he can get it through. A long extension is no longer a risk free option for the EU.
 
blueinsa said:
My thoughts as well.

Extension and a GE brings Farage into the equation and Tory candidates that are far more brexity shall we say.

labour will also be shitting their pants as their leave ares imo will desert them.
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There are very few constituencies where Labour voters who voted Leave would be a majority of (regular) Labour voters and everywhere else their Remain voters might punish them for the vacillation.
 
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