So you have an MP that doesn't represent the views of a majority of his constituents?You are right - I am down the road in Wokingham - John Redwood's constituency
Even though it is a Remain constituency and Redwood has 'gone against' that position - there is absolutely zero chance that the Conservatives will not win here
The threat of Corbyn totally dwarfs any risk that Brexit might introduce.
I have been saying for months that a lot of the UK-wide Remain vote will be dissipated in a GE in a manner that does not see Labour do well
In Scotland we know where that will go - but it makes no difference from 2015/17
In major cities we know where that will go - but it makes no difference from 2015/17
It is in the marginals that the GE will be won or lost. I can see the Remain vote splitting between LibDems and Labour - allowing the Conservatives to mop up and secure a working majority. It may be small so that is a good reason that they were right to purge the 21 dissenters - and ideally any others that cannot be relied upon on this major issue.
Or - shock horror - for the parliament that is elected in a representative democracy to actually represent their cntsituents?
I know - an old-fashioned concept
The last 3.5 years probably say otherwise. Absolutely, leave voters might not accept it, and perfectly within their right not to. The only way to tell is to ask again, with the specifics now known, rather than a one size fits all concept. And if that is still the case, then remain voters really have nothing to complain about, and neither do the extreme brexit aspire-bes.
Which one of the lying cunts in that vid would you like as PM Gord?That we’d move from having an ineffectual **** to a lying **** as PM?
Revoke is the outcome I do want actually, it may seem perverse as a leaver but the current deal or a no deal are just too damaging for a variety of reasons. My objectives for independence from future EU integration can be now be best achieved by staying inside and finding a non A50 route out if political reform can't be achieved.
Why should we hold any vote to appease remain voters? Remain lost.
I agree on a second referendum but the only referendum we can hold is one on the final deal vs no deal.
We chose to leave and here are the options to leave, pick one.
Done.
None of that justifies having another referendum IMO. We were told the pound would collapse. We were warned about the NI problem (although clearly not warned enough). We were warned about potential tariffs. All of this was in the air before the vote. And people voted as they did, knowledgable or not, misguided or not, thick as planks or not, racists or not. And yes people may have changed their minds, or not. (FWIW, increasingly I am of the opinion that actually it's swung back around to a Leave majority again.)
But we had the referendum, were told by everyone concerned we would honour the result and really that's all there is to it. We must leave, and politicians must determine how. And if this set of politicians cannot agree on how, then we need another set who can.
None of that justifies having another referendum IMO. We were told the pound would collapse. We were warned about the NI problem (although clearly not warned enough). We were warned about potential tariffs. All of this was in the air before the vote. And people voted as they did, knowledgable or not, misguided or not, thick as planks or not, racists or not. And yes people may have changed their minds, or not. (FWIW, increasingly I am of the opinion that actually it's swung back around to a Leave majority again.)
But we had the referendum, were told by everyone concerned we would honour the result and really that's all there is to it. We must leave, and politicians must determine how. And if this set of politicians cannot agree on how, then we need another set who can.
When having or being involved in a hedge fund is illegal in this country i might start taking notice of posts like this.
Martin Taylor of Nevsky Capitol was a big benefactor of Labour under Milliband.
So fucking what?
I wasn't in that vid, AC!Which one of the lying cunts in that vid would you like as PM Gord?
(a bit like the when did you stop beating your wife question, but you get my drift;)
*applauds*But do you recognise that there is no symetry between the Remain and the Leave position? The two sides are not equal. One side "lost" the referendum vote, the other "won".
We may not like this. We may argue it was badly framed, unfair, should never have happened, whatever. But none of that changes the fact that the country voted to Leave, they did not vote to Remain.
THEREFORE, if and when we leave (and I think it is when, btw) , the Remain side will reluctantly have to accept it. If we end up deciding to remain, the Leave side is entirely justified in NOT accepting it.
And what if remain wins? What would you suggest leave voters do then?
Your perspective misapprehends human nature. The notion that people who voted to leave will (in the main) view it as a near miss is wholly misconceived.I disagree. Society will recover just fine, we have to trust it to be mature enough to digest that it potentially flirted with disaster and dodged a near miss, should we somehow end up staying. Which i doubt.
You are correct that I have no appetite for serial liars.I think you need to brush up on your understanding and use of the word "lie".
Broken promises are not always lies. Why did you not just highlight his broken promises? My guess is because you can't stand the bloke and it suits you to slag him off any way you can.
He's a wankstain.He’s a fucking idiot Farage.
A deal was always going to have a long negotiation period, once the Withdrawal Bill went through.
He’s desperate and is therefore coming out for no deal only.
Fair point(s)
However, we have had a GE in 2017 which was billed as the one to get Brexit sorted(or "done") and that led us to here. I am not a fan of the idea of a 2nd Ref but I think I'm with Tony Blair on this - if the Government thinks it is time to go to the people to unpick the Brexit lock a GE is not the way to go about it. A GE is voted on many issues, for many reasons and is also constituency based i.e not one person one vote - if the Government want to go to the people to resolve Brexit one way or the other then it should be with a referendum
Liar!You are correct that I have no appetite for serial liars.
"Most" has a very specific meaning which needs very specific justification. "Some" does not.
If it had been said, "Some of the ERG are fund managers or have close connections with fund managers", I would have had no issues with it.
My reply would have been "so what, who cares". And even if someone stands to benefit in some way from some political outcome, that is not in itself evidence that they are voting purely for unscrupulous reasons.
I have long held the view that people go into politics because of a deep desire to make the country a better place, not to feather their own nests.[/QUOTE]
I agree with your last sentiment entirely but there are others who clearly have a different perspective than that Blair, Osborne, Johnson but to name a few. Its a question of morality in all this when you consider the shape of Johnson's agreements which involves a very radical change to our current economic and social models. When they are supposed to be acting in the interest of the people that they serve and have economic impact assessments when does the realisation kick in that shaving 7% off GDP over the next few years is not such a good idea.
Then you have to question why rail road a deal through without the usual scrutiny that is going to cause such harm to the country? Who are they doing this for clearly not in the best interest to the population of the United Kingdom.
Lol, but as it plainly shows, each and every one of them is a lying, dissembling ****, constantly singling outI wasn't in that vid, AC!