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Hesperus said:
No, I haven’t ruled it out, but at the moment the opposition don’t look like agreeing to an election. So unless that impasse is resolved there’s no chance of any party getting a majority. Hence my original post, take emotion and party allegiance out of this process and my feeling is that a second referendum is the only way to get it sorted correctly and as quickly as possible. As Boris would say, it would get Brexit done.
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No - it would mean we'd be finished with Brexit.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Maybe we are a cross purposes?

I agree there is an issue in that if not enough Labour MPs support another GE, then we won't be having one.

But if they do, I see every possiblity of Tory majority. And I am putting party politics aside on saying that. Bear in mind (a) Labour start from a position of being about 50 seats behind, before a vote is cast. (b) their vote will be hopelessly split between Marxists and Lib Dem and (c) Corbyn's popularity is at an all time low.

If the current 10 to 15 point Tory lead in the polls was maintained in a GE, they'd have a comfortable majority.
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Admittedly the clocks go back tonight, but there’s not much difference between what you predict here and the situation in spring 2017, save the lead was a mere 21 points.
You’re not a government advisor by any chance? ;-)
 
Chippy_boy said:
Maybe we are a cross purposes?

I agree there is an issue in that if not enough Labour MPs support another GE, then we won't be having one.

But if they do, I see every possiblity of Tory majority. And I am putting party politics aside on saying that. Bear in mind (a) Labour start from a position of being about 50 seats behind, before a vote is cast. (b) their vote will be hopelessly split between Marxists and Lib Dem and (c) Corbyn's popularity is at an all time low.

If the current 10 to 15 point Tory lead in the polls was maintained in a GE, they'd have a comfortable majority.
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Ho ho. Putting party politics aside then calling Labour "Marxists". You're a joke.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I know the EU don't want to meddle, but if they were to simply say on Monday that they refuse the extension, then there would be emergency debate in the HoC, the WA would be passed immediately through both houses and the deal would be done. And we could move on to phase 2. Shame this won't happen.
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More likely, we would revoke
 
Gabriel said:
Admittedly the clocks go back tonight, but there’s not much difference between what you predict here and the situation in spring 2017, save the lead was a mere 21 points. ;-)
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This is true and another reason why we could just end up with another hung parliament and Brexit stalemate again.
 
Gabriel said:
Then why do you persist in using it? It’s akin to someone on the Left, the pinker bit, warning of the perils of Cobdenism under Johnson.
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This FT graphic sums up why Labour is a Marxist Party - essentially because of its Communist leadership, major influencers and financial base
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George Hannah said:
This FT graphic sums up why Labour is a Marxist Party - essentially because of its Communist leadership, major influencers and financial base
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But that doesn’t explain why you persist in using the term Marxist, especially when you admit that the term itself has no resonance for younger readers. Indeed, the article from which you draw your image does not use the term Marxist at all, and it saves use of the word Communist for one or two minor ‘influencers’ in relation to the 1970s.
https://ig.ft.com/jeremy-corbyn-labour-inner-circles/

No fan of Corbyn, but if the FT isn’t labelling him as Marxist, then perhaps capitalism can sleep easy tonight. ;-)
 
Gabriel said:
But that doesn’t explain why you persist in using the term Marxist, especially when you admit that the term itself has no resonance for younger readers. Indeed, the article from which you draw your image does not use the term Marxist at all, and it saves use of the word Communist for one or two minor ‘influencers’ in relation to the 1970s.
https://ig.ft.com/jeremy-corbyn-labour-inner-circles/

No fan of Corbyn, but if the FT isn’t labelling him as Marxist, then perhaps capitalism can sleep easy tonight. ;-)
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Because the term has little resonance with the modern electorate does not mean it isn't accurate. You do know Communism is a Marxist ideology I presume and the entire party leadership top tier is not 'minor' btw, it is definitive.
 
George Hannah said:
Poor Vic, all those phone porkies pricking your conscience? You're lying to yourself as well it seems.
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That's unacceptable. You just said the Labour party is a Marxist party so I said you were lying. You're actually saying I am making up making phone calls.
 
Vic said:
That's unacceptable. You just said the Labour party is a Marxist party so I said you were lying. You're actually saying I am making up making phone calls.
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No, just that you seem to have deceived yourself into believing the Labour Party isn't Marxist and therefore fail to communicate this important fact to the proletariat when telephone canvassing at the behest of your Communist controllers.
 
George Hannah said:
Because the term has little resonance with the modern electorate does not mean it isn't accurate. You do know Communism is a Marxist ideology I presume and the entire party leadership top tier is not 'minor' btw, it is definitive.
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Even Keir Starmer, David Cameron’s appointment to the CPS? Should have guessed it from the name I suppose.
 
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