Another new Brexit thread

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Well, just wrong again. Here's a sample.

• Mandate the new National Investment Bank, and regional development banks in every region, to identify where other lenders fail to meet the needs of SMEs and prioritise lending to improve the funding gap.
• Reinstate the lower small-business corporation tax rate.
• Introduce a package of reforms to business rates – including switching from RPI to CPI indexation, exempting new investment in plant and machinery from valuations, and ensuring that businesses have access to a proper appeals process – while reviewing the entire business rates system in the longer run.
• Scrap quarterly reporting for businesses with a turnover of under £85,000.


Whereas your idea is "Invest in Britain, we're imposing tariffs"
Yes, I'm sure foreign investors will be praying for a Labour government to put corporation taxes up.
To do that, when we exit the EU, is utter madness.
 
Wonder if we can actually scrutinize and ratify the fucking thing now. We’ll see what Johnson actually wants... maybe
 
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-gives-up-7bn-windfall-from-european-investment-bank-tq0qskgfc


Conservatives eh. What are they like? We have to tighten our purse strings because of the deficit / debt and yet the Conservatives give up the £7 billion bonus from the European Investment Bank as part of the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement.

This sum hasn't been included in the final settlement figure.


I posted this on the Conservative thread earlier but probably equally appropriate on the Brexit thread.... its about how the Tories have quietly given away £7 billion to the Eu (in addition to the divorce settlement) without actually telling the electorate.
 
I posted this on the Conservative thread earlier but probably equally appropriate on the Brexit thread.... its about how the Tories have quietly given away £7 billion to the Eu (in addition to the divorce settlement) without actually telling the electorate.

Thought while we still in the eu we keep paying them whats due?
 
at risk of repeating myself, they all do... Corbyn set the prerequisites clearly for a GE and is now adding more to the list
Don't disagree. Corbyn is also a bullshitter.
What makes Johnson different is that he is an out and out liar as well. He makes stuff up to back up his points. He doesn't just twist facts, he invents them. He's been sacked for lying. Lies that spring to mind include the Leave bus, denial of his Turkey comments, Hillsborough slur, eurocoffins and standard bananas, manx kippers, denial that he has any responsibility for the Zagari-Ratcliffe situation etc. etc. Then there's his personal untrustworthiness. He won't even admit how many children he's got!
He is the first prime minister that I remember that I don't trust to have the best interests of the country and its people at heart irrespective of his politics, so it's not just an anti-Tory thing.
 
Don't disagree. Corbyn is also a bullshitter.
What makes Johnson different is that he is an out and out liar as well. He makes stuff up to back up his points. He doesn't just twist facts, he invents them. He's been sacked for lying. Lies that spring to mind include the Leave bus, denial of his Turkey comments, Hillsborough slur, eurocoffins and standard bananas, manx kippers, denial that he has any responsibility for the Zagari-Ratcliffe situation etc. etc. Then there's his personal untrustworthiness. He won't even admit how many children he's got!
He is the first prime minister that I remember that I don't trust to have the best interests of the country and its people at heart irrespective of his politics, so it's not just an anti-Tory thing.
So, genuine question, You'd trust Corbyn and his front bench
 
It doesn’t? Tomatoes are a fruit used as a vegetable.

As the old adage goes: knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.

which idiot called a bowl of fruit a ''salad'' in the first place ???? probably a leftie green with florettes, courgettes and lillets, and adages and kings ( the walrus said, not me)
 
Don't disagree. Corbyn is also a bullshitter.

What makes Johnson different is that he is an out and out liar as well. He makes stuff up to back up his points. He doesn't just twist facts, he invents them. He's been sacked for lying. Lies that spring to mind include the Leave bus, denial of his Turkey comments, Hillsborough slur, eurocoffins and standard bananas, manx kippers, denial that he has any responsibility for the Zagari-Ratcliffe situation etc. etc. Then there's his personal untrustworthiness. He won't even admit how many children he's got!

He is the first prime minister that I remember that I don't trust to have the best interests of the country and its people at heart irrespective of his politics, so it's not just an anti-Tory thing.

Lying in the open is something new but lying itself is not.

It honestly doesn't matter what anyone says anymore because whether it is a lie or not is irrelevant.

The opposition will call it out but then what does that change? No-one is going to turn and vote Labour because Boris lied.

The only thing that matters is to keep your audience so entrenched that they'll happily plead ignorance on anything you could do wrong.
 
Don't disagree. Corbyn is also a bullshitter.
What makes Johnson different is that he is an out and out liar as well. He makes stuff up to back up his points. He doesn't just twist facts, he invents them. He's been sacked for lying. Lies that spring to mind include the Leave bus, denial of his Turkey comments, Hillsborough slur, eurocoffins and standard bananas, manx kippers, denial that he has any responsibility for the Zagari-Ratcliffe situation etc. etc. Then there's his personal untrustworthiness. He won't even admit how many children he's got!
He is the first prime minister that I remember that I don't trust to have the best interests of the country and its people at heart irrespective of his politics, so it's not just an anti-Tory thing.

So, genuine question, You'd trust Corbyn and his front bench


Yep.... i think the last ten years has shown that

  • we've been constantly lied to by the Conservatives (austerity was a political choice to deliver corporate tax cuts)
  • We've been put through a referendum that needn't have happened (simply to solve an argument in the Tory Party) and which will probably result in the breakup of the union
  • We've been led into a war at great cost in Libya which was more about regime change (i know Tony B Liar led us into one as well .. and I didnt agree with that one either)
  • We've seen creeping privatisation of the NHS
  • Erosion of workers rights
  • Increase in Foodbanks
  • Increase in homelessness
  • Pensions stolen (women's and widows)

trusting Corbyn (and Im not a fan) and his front bench seems a safer alternative. Labour policies are good and sound ... focus on policies not personalities
 
Lying in the open is something new but lying itself is not.

It honestly doesn't matter what anyone says anymore because whether it is a lie or not is irrelevant.

The opposition will call it out but then what does that change? No-one is going to turn and vote Labour because Boris lied.

The only thing that matters is to keep your audience so entrenched that they'll happily plead ignorance on anything you could do wrong.
That is the Trump and Johnson way.
 
Yep.... i think the last ten years has shown that

  • we've been constantly lied to by the Conservatives (austerity was a political choice to deliver corporate tax cuts)
  • We've been put through a referendum that needn't have happened (simply to solve an argument in the Tory Party) and which will probably result in the breakup of the union
  • We've been led into a war at great cost in Libya which was more about regime change (i know Tony B Liar led us into one as well .. and I didnt agree with that one either)
  • We've seen creeping privatisation of the NHS
  • Erosion of workers rights
  • Increase in Foodbanks
  • Increase in homelessness
  • Pensions stolen (women's and widows)

trusting Corbyn (and Im not a fan) and his front bench seems a safer alternative. Labour policies are good and sound ... focus on policies not personalities
Wow what a fucking mess we're in....
 
I'm not too clear on why the Lib Dems are suggesting December 9th not 12th as suggested by the Tories. And why the Tories and Labour regard that as a "stunt"?

I must be missing something. Please can anyone explain?
 
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