General Election - December 12th, 2019

[Fame Monster]

Just wading into the healthcare debate, we have 1.2M UK citizens in the EU, but 2.4M EU citizens in the UK so looking at it from a cold, financial POV, I can see the logic for levying a charge.

 

[blueparrot]

What you are explaining isn't reciprocal, our health care is free and there is nothing wrong when we leave the EU levying a charge or indeed expecting visitors to buy insurance like they have to in many EU countries right now.

Prescriptions aren't free , not in England anyway, so most visitors needing medical treatment will probably see a doctor then pay for their prescription. My wife needed to see a doctor in Croatia that was free then she paid at the chemist for her drugs. We will lose that as an automatic right. Losing a benefit to UK citizens travelling isn't a good thing IMO.

 

[west didsblue]

It doesnt matter, someone "rich" will be paying for it.

£1 lost from the economy because of brexit and they are apoplectic with rage yet they happily regurgitate policy like this as being the best thing since sliced bread.

I thought Brexit was supposed to be good for the economy?

 

[west didsblue]

Just wading into the healthcare debate, we have 1.2M UK citizens in the EU, but 2.4M EU citizens in the UK so looking at it from a cold, financial POV, I can see the logic for levying a charge.

Many of the UK citizens in the EU are retired in Spain and have greater healthcare needs than many of the 2.4M EU citizens that are working in the UK. Swings and roundabouts.

 

[mexico1970]

Prescriptions aren't free , not in England anyway, so most visitors needing medical treatment will probably see a doctor then pay for their prescription. My wife needed to see a doctor in Croatia that was free then she paid at the chemist for her drugs. We will lose that as an automatic right. Losing a benefit to UK citizens travelling isn't a good thing IMO.

Prescriptions aren't free in most other EU countries either.

[This means that you will pay the same rate at the pharmacy as someone who was insured and living in that country. In some EU countries this may mean that you won't pay anything, while in others you may be required to pay a certain amount towards the cost of your prescription.

You don't receive free healthcare from most EU countries right now, in most cases you have to pay. Get insurance for that country if you are working there if you can and get travel insurance if you're visiting.

 

[BobKowalski]

What you are explaining isn't reciprocal, our health care is free and there is nothing wrong when we leave the EU levying a charge or indeed expecting visitors to buy insurance like they have to in many EU countries right now.

Reciprocal does not mean identical. The EHIC card gives you the right to access the public health service of any EU country as it’s does a national of that country. That is just a statement of fact. If that health service is better than ours you’re in luck. If it’s worse then you’ve crapped out in the lottery of life. If you want to buy private health insurance in the country you reside then, also like a national of that country, you are free to do so.

If we want to start charging EU nationals then whatever we charge other countries will do the same in addition to whatever costs (if any) they already charge. What we do they also do. It the way the world works.

 

[mexico1970]

Many of the UK citizens in the EU are retired in Spain and have greater healthcare needs than many of the 2.4M EU citizens that are working in the UK. Swings and roundabouts.

The NHS pays for the healthcare of expats don't they?

 

[mexico1970]

Reciprocal does not mean identical. The EHIC card gives you the right to access the public health service of any EU country as it’s does a national of that country. That is just a statement of fact. If that health service is better than ours you’re in luck. If it’s worse then you’ve crapped out in the lottery of life. If you want to buy private health insurance in the country you reside then, also like a national of that country, you are free to do so.

If we want to start charging EU nationals then whatever we charge other countries will do the same in addition to whatever costs (if any) they already charge. What we do they also do. It the way the world works.

I believe we are talking about two different things, I'm not talking about open borders and how crap the place you are born in is.

 

[chesterbells]

I thought Brexit was supposed to be good for the economy?

Not really. Even many of those in favour of Brexit would argue there’ll be a dip, but then they say it’s not just about economics, it never was, that’s what remainers dont get, etc.

 

[west didsblue]

The NHS pays for the healthcare of expats don't they?

I think it’s quite complex but arrangements are reciprocal.

 

[BobKowalski]

Just wading into the healthcare debate, we have 1.2M UK citizens in the EU, but 2.4M EU citizens in the UK so looking at it from a cold, financial POV, I can see the logic for levying a charge.

Demographics. No one from Europe is retiring to the U.K. to enjoy our sunny climes. Put a tax on migration then you inhibit younger migration and given our current demographic skewing upwards in age then that’s the last thing we need.

Like all Western European developed economies we need younger people in the labour pool. Everything else is just screaming at the sky.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Not really. Even many of those in favour of Brexit would argue there’ll be a dip, but then they say it’s not just about economics, it never was, that’s what remainers dont get, etc.

The only thing remainers don't get is how leavers keep changing the reasons they voted leave, in order to cover their arses, now that they realise it's going to be a fucking disaster.

 

[west didsblue]

Not really. Even many of those in favour of Brexit would argue there’ll be a dip, but then they say it’s not just about economics, it never was, that’s what remainers dont get, etc.

I know that.
The argument has changed significantly over the last 3 years when it became apparent to even the most ardent Brexiteers that there’s no economic argument for Brexit.

 

[BobKowalski]

I think it’s quite complex but arrangements are reciprocal.

I think that was where I started :)

 

[denislawsbackheel]

As does every EU state for its expats

Prescriptions aren't free in most other EU countries either.



You don't receive free healthcare from most EU countries right now, in most cases you have to pay. Get insurance for that country if you are working there if you can and get travel insurance if you're visiting.

So we’ve got a Croatia that offer free treatment to which I can add Italy. My wife broke her wrist got it X rayed, plastered and follow up checks all for nothing. Didn’t even want to see her EHIC card.
only a fucking idiot relies on an EHIC card alone when travelling currently.
An EHIC card will get your compound fracture set but won’t get you flown home.

 

[chesterbells]

The only thing remainers don't get is how leavers keep changing the reasons they voted leave, in order to cover their arses, now that they realise it's going to be a fucking disaster.

but if they realise that, why are they more bothered about ‘covering their arses’ ? Genuinely, if they realise it’s going to be a fucking disaster surely they’d be eating some humble pie by now and admit it, and publicly changing their mind, at least some of them. Or are you saying all of the 52% are intransigent idiots who are lemmings? I’m not aware of many of the 52% who’ve said they’ve changed their mind and now back remain, either public figures, of members of the public on phone ins, vox pop etc - are you? I’d be interested if there’s any polling out there about how many have admitted changing their minds...

 

[chesterbells]

I know that.
The argument has changed significantly over the last 3 years when it became apparent to even the most ardent Brexiteers that there’s no economic argument for Brexit.

I’m not just saying this/revising history etc, but I can clearly remember talking to some people before the referendum who said things like: it’s not about our economic growth rate, we shouldn’t be obsessed with that etc, even if the country isn’t quite as rich afterwards it doesn’t matter, they would still vote to leave.

 

[The perfect fumble]

but if they realise that, why are they more bothered about ‘covering their arses’ ? Genuinely, if they realise it’s going to be a fucking disaster surely they’d be eating some humble pie by now and admit it, and publicly changing their mind, at least some of them. Or are you saying all of the 52% are intransigent idiots who are lemmings? I’m not aware of many of the 52% who’ve said they’ve changed their mind and now back remain, either public figures, of members of the public on phone ins, vox pop etc - are you? I’d be interested if there’s any polling out there about how many have admitted changing their minds...

Really? How often do you have the balls to admit you've fucked up?

It's much easier to keep changing goal posts.

 

[mcfc1632]

Sounds very similar to me
I would be a typical centre ground labour voter who is fed up of the current and previous leadership
My big mistake was voting labour in last general election
No idea where to go on this next one

There are a lot of us about

Strange really - months and years, ago we posted what seems an obvious fact - that Labour will not win a GE unless they attract people like us back

We were basically told to fuck off as we were not pure enough

Now those purists are bemoaning the situation rather than face up to what we said was correct

 

[The perfect fumble]

There are a lot of us about

Strange really - months and years, ago we posted what seems an obvious fact - that Labour will not win a GE unless they attract people like us back

We were basically told to fuck off as we were not pure enough

Now those purists are bemoaning the situation rather than face up to what we said was correct

You've been told to fuck off not because you're not pure enough, but because you're a Tory.