General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
The Tories allege £500 billion .. so there are questions to be asked about that figure

You're missing the increase in

Corporation Tax which will make the UK tax level at 26%
.
Our corporation tax rate is one of the lowest in the OECD group of economically advanced countries. We have the lowest rate of corporation tax in the G7 group of leading nations. Even Labour’s increase to 26% would only put it slightly above the OECD average of 24%, and as the graph illustrates, it would be lower than any other current G7 rate. Anticipated take £19 billion

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Focus on Tax Avoidance and Evasion.

Implement the Eu directive on Anti Tax avoidance in full. (This is the true reason for Brexit ). Labour have a 17 point Anti Tax avoidance plan.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/o...pending-anti-tax-avoidance-legislation/21/06/

Its thought that approx £25bill per annum is lost through uncollected Tax, Tax avoided and evaded. (source HMRC) But its thought the figure is closer to £120 billion (source Tax Justice & PCS) the difference is due to the 'sweetheart deals' done by HMRC which is why Google end up paying £36.4 million tax on turnover of £6.05 billion.

Reverse Capital Gains Tax cut given by the Tories

Taking Capital Gains tax back to the same level as it was before 2010 would raise £735 million.

Reverse Inheritance Tax Cut

Taking Inheritance tax back to 2010 levels would raise £1 billion

Robin Hood Tax on Financial institutions

Anticipated £5 billion


Etc Etc
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Numbers really aren't your strong point are they? What is I wonder.

"Tax Justice & PCS" - well they would know wouldn't they. Far better than the Inland Revenue, who actually deal with this stuff. And let's assume their £120bn figure is correct, just how much of that do you think is collectable? All of it? Not a chance.

But let's throw you your £120bn, just for giggles. And your inheritance tax changes - let's stop parents giving their kids a leg up on the housing ladder, great idea. Let's throw you that as well, and the nobbling the City by taking £5bn off them as well. And capital gains. We don't want people investing now, do we.

Still all of that leaves one dirty great big fucking hole in Labour's stated plans, let alone the Marxists' aspirations of government-owned EVERYTHING.

No, I am sorry, but current Labour thinking and policies are those of clowns, followed by clowns. You're in great company.
 
Chippy_boy said:
You have to accept it??? Poor you. I am sure you're itching to pay more.
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The Inland revenue, as far as I'm aware, has no aversion to anyone sending them voluntary payments, but I've not seen
any sites that show how much they receive from people desperate to see the state getting more revenue though.
As long as all this laudable desire for social justice involves someone else paying for it, we'll continue to hear about it.
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
Good thing we've had the Tories being a steady hand on the wheel for the last decade. Been absolutely smooth sailing
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Have you heard of this thing called "Austerity"? You seem to have missed it.

Honestly the quality of argument on here at times, it leaves me to despair. Is this what the *thinking* British man's level of analysis has come down to? God help us all.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
The Inland revenue, as far as I'm aware, has no aversion to anyone sending them voluntary payments, but I've not seen
any sites that show how much they receive from people desperate to see the state getting more revenue though.
As long as all this laudable desire for social justice involves someone else paying for it, we'll continue to hear about it.
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Indeed.

That people like IfIwasonly... were just openly in it for themselves (as they are, obviously) then it would just be mildly irritating. But what really fucks me off is that they seem to think this "I want more stuff and I want someone else to pay for it", gives THEM the moral high ground? It is frankly an astonishing misalignment with reality.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Have you heard of this thing called "Austerity"? You seem to have missed it.

Honestly the quality of argument on here at times, it leaves me to despair. Is this what the *thinking* British man's level of analysis has come down to? God help us all.
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You actually just used a decade long austerity program as a positive effect of this government haha.
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
You actually just used a decade long austerity program as a positive effect of this government haha.
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Eh????? What utter rubbish.

What I meant - though it was obvious - was the the last 10 years of difficulties for our public services, should be seen in the context of 10 years of Austerity. No-one *wanted* austerity, like no-one *wants* tax rises. Scrub that, Labour does, they like them. Punish the rich etc.

And in that context, the Tories did OK, yes. They managed to navigate the country through very difficult times, keeping most people in work, and in their homes, which are the most important things of all.
 
So, if you're about to get a big pay rise, based on performance, from say, £60,000 to £80,000, tell your boss to
reduce the increase to £79,999, and Hey-Presto! you're below the threshold ;)
 
Chippy_boy said:
Have you heard of this thing called "Austerity"? You seem to have missed it.

Honestly the quality of argument on here at times, it leaves me to despair. Is this what the *thinking* British man's level of analysis has come down to? God help us all.
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Mate, you are indeed a dead ringer for Ebeneezer Scrooge.
This Christmas you will be visited by three spirits.
First the ghost of Christmas past - your past.

To be continued.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
So, if you're about to get a big pay rise, based on performance, from say, £60,000 to £80,000, tell your boss to
reduce the increase to £79,999, and Hey-Presto! you're below the threshold ;)
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Or more specifically, they will stick the extra into their pension to avoid the additional tax.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
So, if you're about to get a big pay rise, based on performance, from say, £60,000 to £80,000, tell your boss to
reduce the increase to £79,999, and Hey-Presto! you're below the threshold ;)
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Why would you want to be below the threshold ?You'd only pay the higher tax on the bit over the threshold.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Or more specifically, they will stick the extra into their pension to avoid the additional tax.
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Yeah, I was being flippant, but there are many ways around it. It's the blithe assumption from this fairy tale wish
list that Labour are proposing, that nothing will impact on their assessments, 'If we increase tax by X,we're
GUARANTEED to rake in Y. No qualification, no impact assessment, just that it will. Then we have Jezza wishing there were
no billionaires, you know, the ones who employ thousands, just take everything they've got, and get rid,
 
Len Rum said:
Mate, you are indeed a dead ringer for Ebeneezer Scrooge.
This Christmas you will be visited by three spirits.
First the ghost of Christmas past - your past.

To be continued.
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Len, you may happen to believe that taking more money off person A to give it to person B, is necessarily and fundamentally a good idea. Whereas I happen to believe that letting person A keep more of their money, is fundamentally a good idea. I have good reasons for my opinion, based on the evidence of failed socialist and communist economies all around the globe over the past 100 years. Penalising success and rewarding failure, is not a model which drives economic growth and prosperity. Never has been, never will be.

Yours and mine are two different opinions. Yours is not "right" and mine "wrong". You do not have any moral high ground for your generosity with other peoples' money. Nil. You have no right to declare ME to be scrooge-like. Sorry, but you do not. And such insults are neither recognised nor accepted. Waste. Of. Time.

Moreover, you have spectacularly failed to grasp that I am not even one of the rich people you so clearly despise. So take your bitterness elsewhere you old fool. Save it for another Labour election defeat.
 
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