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General Election - December 12th, 2019
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bluethrunthru
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bluethrunthru
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Portillo version 2019? I do hope so - I can just imagine his wild eyed stare as he refuses to leave the stage
bluethrunthru
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More Tory lies.................
Inconvenient truths - they are so hard to accept
bluethrunthru
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I wonder why and what motivated the attacker in this BP /Leave stronghold? Cowardly attack.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50552115
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50552115
George Hannah
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more bad news for Jezzer
EPHRAIM MIRVIS | COMMENT
november 25 2019, 5:00pm, the times
Ephraim Mirvis: What will become of Jews in Britain if Labour forms the next government?
ephraim mirvis
Elections should be a celebration of democracy. However, just weeks before we go to the polls, the overwhelming majority of British Jews are gripped by anxiety.
During the past few years, on my travels through the UK and further afield, one concern has been expressed to me more than any other. Of course, the threats of the far right and violent jihadism never go away, but the question I am now most frequently asked is: What will become of Jews and Judaism in Britain if the Labour Party forms the next government?
This anxiety is justified. Raising concerns about anti-Jewish racism in the context of a general election ranks among the most painful moments I have experienced since taking office. Convention dictates that the Chief Rabbi stays well away from party politics — and rightly so. However, challenging racism is not a matter of politics, it goes well beyond that. Wherever there is evidence of it, including in any of our political parties, it must be swiftly rooted out. Hateful prejudice is always wrong, whoever the perpetrator, whoever the victim.
The Jewish community has endured the deep discomfort of being at the centre of national political attention for nearly four years. We have been treated by many as an irritant, as opposed to a minority community with genuine concerns. Some politicians have shown courage but too many have sat silent. We have learned the hard way that speaking out means that we will be demonised by faceless social media trolls and accused of being partisan or acting in bad faith by those who still think of this as an orchestrated political smear. Yet, I ask myself: should the victims of racism be silenced by the fear of yet further vilification?
Therefore, with the heaviest of hearts, I call upon the citizens of our great country to study what has been unfolding before our very eyes.
The Jewish community has watched with incredulity as supporters of the Labour leadership have hounded parliamentarians, members and even staff out of the party for challenging anti-Jewish racism. Even as they received threats, the response of the Labour leadership was utterly inadequate. We have endured quibbling and prevarication over whether the party should adopt the most widely accepted definition of antisemitism. Now we await the outcome of a formal investigation by the Equality and Human Rights Commission into whether discrimination by the party against Jews has become an institutional problem. And all of this while in opposition. What should we expect of them in government?
The way in which the leadership has dealt with anti-Jewish racism is incompatible with the British values of which we are so proud — of dignity and respect for all people. It has left many decent Labour members both Jewish and non-Jewish, ashamed of what has transpired.
The claims that the party is “doing everything” it reasonably can to tackle anti-Jewish racism and that it has “investigated every single case”, are a mendacious fiction. According to the Jewish Labour Movement, there are at least 130 outstanding cases before the party, some dating back years, and thousands more have been reported but remain unresolved.
The party leadership have never understood that their failure is not just one of procedure, which can be remedied with additional staff or new processes. It is a failure to see this as a human problem rather than a political one. It is a failure of culture. It is a failure of leadership. A new poison – sanctioned from the top – has taken root in the Labour Party.
Many members of the Jewish community can hardly believe that this is the same party that they called their political home for more than a century. It can no longer claim to be the party of equality and anti-racism.
How far is too far? How complicit in prejudice would a leader of Her Majesty’s opposition have to be to be considered unfit for office? Would associations with those who have incited hatred against Jews be enough? Would describing as “friends” those who endorse the murder of Jews be enough? It seems not.
It is not my place to tell any person how they should vote. I regret being in this situation at all. I simply pose the question: What will the result of this election say about the moral compass of our country? When December 12 arrives, I ask every person to vote with their conscience. Be in no doubt, the very soul of our nation is at stake.
Ephraim Mirvis is Chief Rabbi of the United Hebrew Congregations of the Commonwealth
EPHRAIM MIRVIS | COMMENT
november 25 2019, 5:00pm, the times
Ephraim Mirvis: What will become of Jews in Britain if Labour forms the next government?
ephraim mirvis
Elections should be a celebration of democracy. However, just weeks before we go to the polls, the overwhelming majority of British Jews are gripped by anxiety.
During the past few years, on my travels through the UK and further afield, one concern has been expressed to me more than any other. Of course, the threats of the far right and violent jihadism never go away, but the question I am now most frequently asked is: What will become of Jews and Judaism in Britain if the Labour Party forms the next government?
This anxiety is justified. Raising concerns about anti-Jewish racism in the context of a general election ranks among the most painful moments I have experienced since taking office. Convention dictates that the Chief Rabbi stays well away from party politics — and rightly so. However, challenging racism is not a matter of politics, it goes well beyond that. Wherever there is evidence of it, including in any of our political parties, it must be swiftly rooted out. Hateful prejudice is always wrong, whoever the perpetrator, whoever the victim.
The Jewish community has endured the deep discomfort of being at the centre of national political attention for nearly four years. We have been treated by many as an irritant, as opposed to a minority community with genuine concerns. Some politicians have shown courage but too many have sat silent. We have learned the hard way that speaking out means that we will be demonised by faceless social media trolls and accused of being partisan or acting in bad faith by those who still think of this as an orchestrated political smear. Yet, I ask myself: should the victims of racism be silenced by the fear of yet further vilification?
Therefore, with the heaviest of hearts, I call upon the citizens of our great country to study what has been unfolding before our very eyes.
The Jewish community has watched with incredulity as supporters of the Labour leadership have hounded parliamentarians, members and even staff out of the party for challenging anti-Jewish racism. Even as they received threats, the response of the Labour leadership was utterly inadequate. We have endured quibbling and prevarication over whether the party should adopt the most widely accepted definition of antisemitism. Now we await the outcome of a formal investigation by the Equality and Human Rights Commission into whether discrimination by the party against Jews has become an institutional problem. And all of this while in opposition. What should we expect of them in government?
The way in which the leadership has dealt with anti-Jewish racism is incompatible with the British values of which we are so proud — of dignity and respect for all people. It has left many decent Labour members both Jewish and non-Jewish, ashamed of what has transpired.
The claims that the party is “doing everything” it reasonably can to tackle anti-Jewish racism and that it has “investigated every single case”, are a mendacious fiction. According to the Jewish Labour Movement, there are at least 130 outstanding cases before the party, some dating back years, and thousands more have been reported but remain unresolved.
The party leadership have never understood that their failure is not just one of procedure, which can be remedied with additional staff or new processes. It is a failure to see this as a human problem rather than a political one. It is a failure of culture. It is a failure of leadership. A new poison – sanctioned from the top – has taken root in the Labour Party.
Many members of the Jewish community can hardly believe that this is the same party that they called their political home for more than a century. It can no longer claim to be the party of equality and anti-racism.
How far is too far? How complicit in prejudice would a leader of Her Majesty’s opposition have to be to be considered unfit for office? Would associations with those who have incited hatred against Jews be enough? Would describing as “friends” those who endorse the murder of Jews be enough? It seems not.
It is not my place to tell any person how they should vote. I regret being in this situation at all. I simply pose the question: What will the result of this election say about the moral compass of our country? When December 12 arrives, I ask every person to vote with their conscience. Be in no doubt, the very soul of our nation is at stake.
Ephraim Mirvis is Chief Rabbi of the United Hebrew Congregations of the Commonwealth
more bad news for Jezzer
EPHRAIM MIRVIS | COMMENT
november 25 2019, 5:00pm, the times
Ephraim Mirvis: What will become of Jews in Britain if Labour forms the next government?
ephraim mirvis
Elections should be a celebration of democracy. However, just weeks before we go to the polls, the overwhelming majority of British Jews are gripped by anxiety.
During the past few years, on my travels through the UK and further afield, one concern has been expressed to me more than any other. Of course, the threats of the far right and violent jihadism never go away, but the question I am now most frequently asked is: What will become of Jews and Judaism in Britain if the Labour Party forms the next government?
This anxiety is justified. Raising concerns about anti-Jewish racism in the context of a general election ranks among the most painful moments I have experienced since taking office. Convention dictates that the Chief Rabbi stays well away from party politics — and rightly so. However, challenging racism is not a matter of politics, it goes well beyond that. Wherever there is evidence of it, including in any of our political parties, it must be swiftly rooted out. Hateful prejudice is always wrong, whoever the perpetrator, whoever the victim.
The Jewish community has endured the deep discomfort of being at the centre of national political attention for nearly four years. We have been treated by many as an irritant, as opposed to a minority community with genuine concerns. Some politicians have shown courage but too many have sat silent. We have learned the hard way that speaking out means that we will be demonised by faceless social media trolls and accused of being partisan or acting in bad faith by those who still think of this as an orchestrated political smear. Yet, I ask myself: should the victims of racism be silenced by the fear of yet further vilification?
Therefore, with the heaviest of hearts, I call upon the citizens of our great country to study what has been unfolding before our very eyes.
The Jewish community has watched with incredulity as supporters of the Labour leadership have hounded parliamentarians, members and even staff out of the party for challenging anti-Jewish racism. Even as they received threats, the response of the Labour leadership was utterly inadequate. We have endured quibbling and prevarication over whether the party should adopt the most widely accepted definition of antisemitism. Now we await the outcome of a formal investigation by the Equality and Human Rights Commission into whether discrimination by the party against Jews has become an institutional problem. And all of this while in opposition. What should we expect of them in government?
The way in which the leadership has dealt with anti-Jewish racism is incompatible with the British values of which we are so proud — of dignity and respect for all people. It has left many decent Labour members both Jewish and non-Jewish, ashamed of what has transpired.
The claims that the party is “doing everything” it reasonably can to tackle anti-Jewish racism and that it has “investigated every single case”, are a mendacious fiction. According to the Jewish Labour Movement, there are at least 130 outstanding cases before the party, some dating back years, and thousands more have been reported but remain unresolved.
The party leadership have never understood that their failure is not just one of procedure, which can be remedied with additional staff or new processes. It is a failure to see this as a human problem rather than a political one. It is a failure of culture. It is a failure of leadership. A new poison – sanctioned from the top – has taken root in the Labour Party.
Many members of the Jewish community can hardly believe that this is the same party that they called their political home for more than a century. It can no longer claim to be the party of equality and anti-racism.
How far is too far? How complicit in prejudice would a leader of Her Majesty’s opposition have to be to be considered unfit for office? Would associations with those who have incited hatred against Jews be enough? Would describing as “friends” those who endorse the murder of Jews be enough? It seems not.
It is not my place to tell any person how they should vote. I regret being in this situation at all. I simply pose the question: What will the result of this election say about the moral compass of our country? When December 12 arrives, I ask every person to vote with their conscience. Be in no doubt, the very soul of our nation is at stake.
Ephraim Mirvis is Chief Rabbi of the United Hebrew Congregations of the Commonwealth
The usual suspects will be here soon to claim this is all bollocks I'm sure.
meltonblue
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I was talking about the labour account, which retweeted that about Johnson but not Swinson.
I’d hope because they watched some interviews and realised it was disingenuous bollocks but I imagine it was just an oversight...
bluethrunthru
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more bad news for Jezzer
EPHRAIM MIRVIS | COMMENT
november 25 2019, 5:00pm, the times
Ephraim Mirvis: What will become of Jews in Britain if Labour forms the next government?
ephraim mirvis
Elections should be a celebration of democracy. However, just weeks before we go to the polls, the overwhelming majority of British Jews are gripped by anxiety.
During the past few years, on my travels through the UK and further afield, one concern has been expressed to me more than any other. Of course, the threats of the far right and violent jihadism never go away, but the question I am now most frequently asked is: What will become of Jews and Judaism in Britain if the Labour Party forms the next government?
This anxiety is justified. Raising concerns about anti-Jewish racism in the context of a general election ranks among the most painful moments I have experienced since taking office. Convention dictates that the Chief Rabbi stays well away from party politics — and rightly so. However, challenging racism is not a matter of politics, it goes well beyond that. Wherever there is evidence of it, including in any of our political parties, it must be swiftly rooted out. Hateful prejudice is always wrong, whoever the perpetrator, whoever the victim.
The Jewish community has endured the deep discomfort of being at the centre of national political attention for nearly four years. We have been treated by many as an irritant, as opposed to a minority community with genuine concerns. Some politicians have shown courage but too many have sat silent. We have learned the hard way that speaking out means that we will be demonised by faceless social media trolls and accused of being partisan or acting in bad faith by those who still think of this as an orchestrated political smear. Yet, I ask myself: should the victims of racism be silenced by the fear of yet further vilification?
Therefore, with the heaviest of hearts, I call upon the citizens of our great country to study what has been unfolding before our very eyes.
The Jewish community has watched with incredulity as supporters of the Labour leadership have hounded parliamentarians, members and even staff out of the party for challenging anti-Jewish racism. Even as they received threats, the response of the Labour leadership was utterly inadequate. We have endured quibbling and prevarication over whether the party should adopt the most widely accepted definition of antisemitism. Now we await the outcome of a formal investigation by the Equality and Human Rights Commission into whether discrimination by the party against Jews has become an institutional problem. And all of this while in opposition. What should we expect of them in government?
The way in which the leadership has dealt with anti-Jewish racism is incompatible with the British values of which we are so proud — of dignity and respect for all people. It has left many decent Labour members both Jewish and non-Jewish, ashamed of what has transpired.
The claims that the party is “doing everything” it reasonably can to tackle anti-Jewish racism and that it has “investigated every single case”, are a mendacious fiction. According to the Jewish Labour Movement, there are at least 130 outstanding cases before the party, some dating back years, and thousands more have been reported but remain unresolved.
The party leadership have never understood that their failure is not just one of procedure, which can be remedied with additional staff or new processes. It is a failure to see this as a human problem rather than a political one. It is a failure of culture. It is a failure of leadership. A new poison – sanctioned from the top – has taken root in the Labour Party.
Many members of the Jewish community can hardly believe that this is the same party that they called their political home for more than a century. It can no longer claim to be the party of equality and anti-racism.
How far is too far? How complicit in prejudice would a leader of Her Majesty’s opposition have to be to be considered unfit for office? Would associations with those who have incited hatred against Jews be enough? Would describing as “friends” those who endorse the murder of Jews be enough? It seems not.
It is not my place to tell any person how they should vote. I regret being in this situation at all. I simply pose the question: What will the result of this election say about the moral compass of our country? When December 12 arrives, I ask every person to vote with their conscience. Be in no doubt, the very soul of our nation is at stake.
Ephraim Mirvis is Chief Rabbi of the United Hebrew Congregations of the Commonwealth
He is right best thing they can do is vote for a right wing party...............Jews have nothing to fear about a right wing party being in power.......historically and contemporarily they have nothing to fear
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street
https://www.thejc.com/news/tory-ele...rom-israel-as-brainwashed-extremists-1.493217
https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2...ry-party-laura-kuenssberg-runs-to-the-rescue/
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It’s all to messy. Amount of spew being thrown at all parties and it’s leaders is going to far. Social media once again the culprit in stirring up so much hatred and giving any joe blogs the opportunity to spread lies.
George Hannah
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sadly it's often simply a lack of understanding of what is important and what is trivial
meltonblue
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Exactly. So much for that nicer politics, eh...?
Chippy_boy
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Thanks for highlighting just how incredibly concerned he must be then.
George Hannah
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I doubt he or any sane person thinks the Jewish community in this country identifies the Tories with Oswald Mosley's Blackshirts though.
bluethrunthru
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I find it disgusting how he can politicise his own religion and seek to weaponise it to scare his fellow Jews disgusting. He can support the Tories - thats his right - but to use his religion as Project Fear to get his own fellow Jews to vote the way he wants them to is a disgrace. The idea that Jews are under threat solely from Labour is a fucking joke however from a Tory supporter its any straw you can clutch to brainwash people I suppose.
Chippy_boy
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Pitiful response. Absolutely pitiful.
bluethrunthru
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Ok so when tomorrow the Archbishop of Canterbury says Johnson is unfit or the Pope condemns Farage you would think the same? There is a disgraceful way in which the LC and now the Chief Rabbi are using their position to sway votes - they have every right to be Tory supporters but to invoke support on the back of their influence I find distasteful. You will probably find Protestant, Catholic, Sikh, Hindu, Bhuddist and even fucking Jedi clergy have a view on politics but they keep their council. Seems odd how the press go big on a news story which appeals to 2% of the UK population. I thought they were biased pro-Labour?
Anyway Jews have as much to fear from the rest of society and politics as they do from Labour yet these folk focus in on Labour as the single most threat to their existence. For that reason alone I hope Labour win - I'd love to see the reaction from the JC and the Chief Rabbi when there is no sign of the persecution they have preached about - egg on faces.
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Most people would take the concerns seriously enough to warrent consideration.
You're just trying to deflect, once again, another statement of concern by a prominent Jewish community figure, because it's potentially going to make Corbyn look bad or cost them votes at the polls. You don't give a shit about the Jewish community or their concerns, your only concern is how damaging this article might be to Labour.
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Chippy_boy
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If they condemned the Tories for persistent, repeated and institutionalised racism, yes of course I would. But they haven't because it's not there.
And before your knee-jerk attempted cover up kicks in, yes I am aware of allegations of islamophobia but it's nothing like on the same scale is it. And the acid test is that Islamic groups are not coming out en masse condemning the Tories. Jews are re Labour.
How you can even begin to try to defend this is frankly astonishing. What depths will you lot stoop to???