General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%
  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%
  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%
  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%

  • Total voters
    518
You do know St George was either Turkish or Syrian right ? Never set foot in the UK.
Actually he was Cappadocian Greek. "Turkey" didn't exist back then.

You do know he's the patron saint of many other nations who have adopted him, ones whom St George also never set foot it?

St George has little to do with England aside from him being adopted as "patron saint" by King Edward III. Before him the patron saint was St Edmund the Martyr. Him, the St George's Cross, were all intended to have the English go full steam ahead as a Christian nation, ignoring it's pagan heritage, to create a sense of nationality and identity as Edward began his wars to claim the throne of France.
 
Aye, yes i dream of marching with Martin Luther King and the Suffragettes, if i don't believe that someone of a different race, gender, sexuality, age or nationality is endangering my existence. Sure, nothing pedantic about that metaphor.

Tbf, there IS indeed a fair bit of bravado with virtue proclamation. And sometimes, some is needed too. Sometimes it is completely unnecessary. There is likewise plenty of unfounded moaning about snowflake culture PC obsession 'liberals' and 'elites' too. Reducing it to such exclusive extremes is what i had an issue with, rather than the general topic.

Your first paragraph is absolutely laughable, you think anyone on here thinks another race is endangering them?

You first paragraph basically says that if you don’t virtue signal or criticise it then you must be racist.

No it’s not needed, as I’ve said. We’re now entering a point in British life where it’s bordering on the ridiculous and it won’t work. The work place is the most affected with quotas and the seemingly unrelenting pursuit to not hire the best person for the job, to ensure the business looks diverse enough.
 
So Labour are launching a new drive to shaft (sorry i got the script wrong, I mean attract) leave voters.
So as Jeremy, is being neutral, just who is going to push for this leave policy? Anyone on the Labour front bench ? Errr no. Anyone on the back benches? Errr no - they've retired or have been deselected. I can't wait for the Corbynista "on message" texts today.
Nice try but no cigar.
 
Your first paragraph is absolutely laughable, you think anyone on here thinks another race is endangering them?

You first paragraph basically says that if you don’t virtue signal or criticise it then you must be racist.

No it’s not needed, as I’ve said. We’re now entering a point in British life where it’s bordering on the ridiculous and it won’t work. The work place is the most affected with quotas and the seemingly unrelenting pursuit to not hire the best person for the job, to ensure the business looks diverse enough.

1st para. Jesus, no. i was pointing out the absurdity of your reductive metaphor. But yes, some do indeed act or like to sound 'endangered' whether they think it or not.

2nd para. not at all what i said. or think. my point is, plenty of shades inbetween.

3rd para. I agree tbf. Again not to the end degree, but certainly acknowledge the direction.
 
So Labour are launching a new drive to shaft (sorry i got the script wrong, I mean attract) leave voters.
So as Jeremy, is being neutral, just who is going to push for this leave policy? Anyone on the Labour front bench - errr no. Anyone on the back benches? Errr no, they've been deselected.
Nice try but no cigar.
The moment when the penny drops.

Abandoning the labour leave voters in favour of their frankly bizarre "vote us in power, we'll negotiate a new deal, then tell you not to vote for it", and thinking it would appease leave voters, has finally been shown to be completely batshit and might cost them No.10.
 
The moment when the penny drops.

Abandoning the labour leave voters in favour of their frankly bizarre "vote us in power, we'll negotiate a new deal, then tell you not to vote for it", and thinking it would appease leave voters, has finally been shown to be completely batshit and might cost them No.10.
Hope so. A lot of water to go under the bridge yet though.
 
Whilst I accept Labour’s position has been difficult I.e choosing wether or not to support the Tory Brexit policy, which isn’t typical of an Opposition party, it has been handled very badly. And whilst remaining neutral may be intellectually sound, it is politically suicidal

The poll which predicted a hung Parliament last time is predicting a 68 seat Tory majority, with a few caveats 1)2017 poll was taken closer to polling and 2) 30 odd seats where they have a Conservative win only have 5% majority

It’s not looking good for Labour and I suppose the question looming large is what do they do next???

One other thing - where does the word ‘Tory’ come from?
 
The moment when the penny drops.

Abandoning the labour leave voters in favour of their frankly bizarre "vote us in power, we'll negotiate a new deal, then tell you not to vote for it", and thinking it would appease leave voters, has finally been shown to be completely batshit and might cost them No.10.
Except of course it was Rees Mogg's idea...

 
I'm not voting for Corbyn, I believe him to be a liar and his handling of the anti-Semitism in his party has been disgraceful.

So instead I'm voting for someone I know to be a racist, homophobic, serial liar.

Sure Islamaphobia is a problem in the Tory party, but I'm more comfortable with that type of racism and yes they wont release the report on Russian interference but a few smelly students voted twice. I can overlook all that mainly because having a go at more left leaning policies that might work scares me more.

After 9 years of running the country into the ground the racist, homophobic serial liar has promised us this time it'll be different and who are we not to believe him.

Vote for Lib Dems or Greens? Are you mad?

BREXIT!!!!!!
All sounds perfectly fine.
 
....I find Germany is not well served when it comes to choice either. I guess culture and geography inform a large part of this in the two examples above. That and we as a nation have a very non discriminatory, almost magpie, attitude to cuisine. If we like it we’ll eat it and not worry about where or who it came from.
My time as a student at the University of the Ruhr was a particular trial. The concept of toast was virtually unknown and Heinz beans absent from the Ladenregale. Maybe things have moved on.
 
Whilst I accept Labour’s position has been difficult I.e choosing wether or not to support the Tory Brexit policy, which isn’t typical of an Opposition party, it has been handled very badly. And whilst remaining neutral may be intellectually sound, it is politically suicidal

The poll which predicted a hung Parliament last time is predicting a 68 seat Tory majority, with a few caveats 1)2017 poll was taken closer to polling and 2) 30 odd seats where they have a Conservative win only have 5% majority

It’s not looking good for Labour and I suppose the question looming large is what do they do next???

One other thing - where does the word ‘Tory’ come from?
From the BBC ...
The political term "Tory" dates back to the "Exclusion Crisis" which took place between 1679 and 1681 during the reign of Charles II.

Two political factions had emerged in Parliament: those who wanted to exclude Charles' brother James, the Duke of York, from succeeding the king because he was a Roman Catholic (the Whigs) and those who supported his rights to the throne (the Tories). The Tory campaign prevailed and James became the Stuart king James II.

Both terms were originally pejorative:- Whig came from an old word for yokel or "country bumpkin"; Tory is derived from the Irish Gaelic word tóraidhe, meaning outlaw.

"Simplistically you could say Tories were Cavaliers and Whigs were Roundheads," explains Dr David Seawright from Leeds University, a Conservative Party expert.

Although Tories began by supporting a Catholic heir's rights to succession, they went on to be associated with Anglicanism as well as strong monarchist and patriotic sympathies.

The term "Conservative" first started to be used widely in the 1830s under the leadership of Sir Robert Peel. He re-interpreted the key elements of the old Tory tradition, effectively modernising the party under the banner of support for social reform and free trade.

While the Tory party under the Duke of Wellington had been strongly opposed to the Reform Bill which extended voting rights, Peel accepted it, declaring his support in the Tamworth Manifesto of 1834.

Despite the adoption of a new name, "Tory" endured and the two terms became interchangeable, with the older name appearing in official publications such as Lord Hailsham's "Toryism and Tomorrow" lecture of 1957.

In the early 20th century, both terms were briefly eclipsed by a new name, "Unionist", to reflect the party's resistance to Irish Home Rule. In the latter part of the century, "Conservative" emerged as the official name.

"Tory" was also used during the American War of Independence to refer to colonists who were loyal to the British monarchy. The term has also endured in Canada where centre-right Conservatives are known as Tories.
 
Whilst I accept Labour’s position has been difficult I.e choosing wether or not to support the Tory Brexit policy, which isn’t typical of an Opposition party, it has been handled very badly. And whilst remaining neutral may be intellectually sound, it is politically suicidal

The poll which predicted a hung Parliament last time is predicting a 68 seat Tory majority, with a few caveats 1)2017 poll was taken closer to polling and 2) 30 odd seats where they have a Conservative win only have 5% majority

It’s not looking good for Labour and I suppose the question looming large is what do they do next???

One other thing - where does the word ‘Tory’ come from?
From the Tory Party of the 17th Century which rebranded in 1834 as the Conservative and Unionist Party. It's an anglicanism of the Irish word Toir, just as "Whig" was a slur, derived from Whiggamore, a band of Southern Scottish rebels who opposed the King, "Tory" was a slur as 'toir' can be loosely translated as 'outlaw'.
 
Whilst I accept Labour’s position has been difficult I.e choosing wether or not to support the Tory Brexit policy, which isn’t typical of an Opposition party, it has been handled very badly. And whilst remaining neutral may be intellectually sound, it is politically suicidal

The poll which predicted a hung Parliament last time is predicting a 68 seat Tory majority, with a few caveats 1)2017 poll was taken closer to polling and 2) 30 odd seats where they have a Conservative win only have 5% majority

It’s not looking good for Labour and I suppose the question looming large is what do they do next???

One other thing - where does the word ‘Tory’ come from?


Its derived from the the Middle Irish word tóraidhe; modern Irish tóraí; modern Scottish Gaelic Tòraidh: meaning outlaw, robber or brigand,
 
Whilst I accept Labour’s position has been difficult I.e choosing wether or not to support the Tory Brexit policy, which isn’t typical of an Opposition party, it has been handled very badly. And whilst remaining neutral may be intellectually sound, it is politically suicidal

The poll which predicted a hung Parliament last time is predicting a 68 seat Tory majority, with a few caveats 1)2017 poll was taken closer to polling and 2) 30 odd seats where they have a Conservative win only have 5% majority

It’s not looking good for Labour and I suppose the question looming large is what do they do next???

One other thing - where does the word ‘Tory’ come from?

They do what they should have done all along and that is to back brexit and respect the result of the 2016 ref completely.

Labour leave voters where always going to say fuck you to a party sitting on the fence or even making noises of remaining and it looks like that is exactly the situation they are facing.

Too many believe their twitter feeds that everyone is now remain.

My arse they are!
 
Johnson slogan: "Let's get Brexit done"

Johnson reality:
“Leaving would cause at least some business uncertainty, while embroiling the Government for several years in a fiddly process of negotiating new arrangements, so diverting energy from the real problems of this country – low skills, low social mobility, low investment etc – that have nothing to do with Europe.” February 2016
 
what that the us and uk have trade discusssions now and then , yeah they do.

but in other news these documents prove Corbyn lied on the TV debate. Not once do these documents mention “full market access for US products”, despite Corbyn implying he was reading verbatim from the documents

It’s old under a previous pm and isn’t in anyway a smoking gun that we have sold the nhs to the us or giving full market access . It’s more Corbyn conspiracy bollox. Next he will be claiming the Rothschild family control all the worlds banks and money!!!

Mr Hancock didn't seem to dismiss said document this morning.

In fact, the more he argued the merit of it, the more the veracity of it was borne out. He had the clear opportunity to dismiss it as old.

He did not.

Interesting.
 
They do what they should have done all along and that is to back brexit and respect the result of the 2016 ref completely.

Labour leave voters where always going to say fuck you to a party sitting on the fence or even making noises of remaining and it looks like that is exactly the situation they are facing.

Too many believe their twitter feeds that everyone is now remain.

My arse they are!
Anyone who announced they were a leave voter/supporter were quickly expunged from the twitterverse, silenced, denounced as racists and once the purge was complete, Twitter was left with only like-minded remoaners.

No wonder they believe it to be true.
 

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