General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
blueinsa said:
All the time.

On the ball those boys.

The post you replied to was out and out sarcasm, a piss take.

You know this, you're an intelligent bloke Bob.
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he might be an intelligent bloke but I think he might be a labour communications officer .


Have you ever seen him talk or post about City on the threads ?
Mmmmmmmm
 
George Hannah said:
No, the idea is to get it working properly - the population's changing age profile is a challenge throughout western Europe but is being met more successfully in several comparable countries through a combination of progressive taxation and charging to improve services.
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I'm not bothered about the rest of Europe, so that's strawman to this exercise.

Progressive taxation means paying more (an accusal levied against Labour as 'unacceptable' by some on here).

'Charging to improve services'? This is extremely vague!

What do you mean...?
 
blueinsa said:
Get on the phones Vic.

Today its 7000 homes a day will be double glazed and insulated and in the afternoons, 270,000 trees will be planted.

reel em in mate, reel em in.
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should show some respect for those who get off their arse and campaign for what they believe in rather than throw cheap shots like that
 
Chippy_boy said:
100% this.

I have to be honest and say that the Labour manifesto is impressive in its ambition, its detail and the amount of work put in. I fundamentally disagree with some of the assumptions, but it is certainly defensible as a document.

The stark and damning problem is that it espouses a set of doctrines and policies which very broadly, the UK public does not want. I've been banging on about this for ages, and I am 100% convinced I am correct. Why? Because the country has been progressively getting richer over the past 50 years, with fewer and fewer people (as a percentage) in low paid, unskilled manual labouring jobs. Jobs where working conditions were terrible, worker-management relations were terrible, exploitation was rife and the unions had a vital role to play. And that is not the UK of today.

The majority of the electorate now have skilled jobs and have upwardly mobile aspirations. They do not identify with donkey-jacket-wearing union leaders and everything that goes with it. That includes widespread nationalised industries. People are not stupid: They remember how shit things were when these organisations were under public ownership. They remember British Leyland. They remember miners's strikes and steelworkers strikes. Sure there may be outliers, and people may have rose-coloured glasses about trains (they'd be wrong to remember them as being anything other than terrible). But people do not see the sense or the value in spending tens of billions on nationalising businesses because of some ideologically-driven bollocks about the state running everything.

They want better public services of course, but they understand that with everything there is a cost. And they are not so stupid to imagine that Labour can splurge money on an unprecedented scale and yet no-one other than a tiny percentage would ever have to pay for it. It is not credible and people rightly do not believe it.

They see Corbyn as a shouty protester who has contributed fuck all over his 40 years in politics, memorable only for the bad things: Hhis association with Hamas and support for the IRA; his refusal to condemn Russian attacks in Salisbury; his very questionable (at best) record on fighting anti-semitism. Outside the bubble of the increasingly desperate hard left and Marxists, he is widely despised.

He is the wrong man, with the wrong policies and until Labour get their heads around BOTH of these facts, Labour will never win a majority in a general election. Labour MPs know this and voted by 80% to get rid of him. The penny still needs to drop with the hard left and the Marxists.
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Just about the only popular thing in Labour's manifesto that the polls find to be popular are Labour's policies on the nationalisation of certain industries, including their state housebuilding programme. The other 90% of stuff in there, however, is an absolute shitshow that people won't vote for because they know it will bankrupt and ruin the country.
 
Chippy_boy said:
You've never negotiated anything in your life, it seems.

Above all be transparent??? What sort of daft talk is that? Absolutely you should keep your real red lines very very close to your chest indeed, or you can be sure you'll be butted up against them from day 1. The whole purpose of successful negotiation is to end up with a position as far away from your actual red lines as possible.
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You should give the US Trade Dept a ring. They publish their mandate for talks. That way Congress and individual States can sign off on them beforehand and avoid any problems later. The also state what their objectives are, ie remove the system that allows for ‘unfair pricing’ on Pharma, and red lines, ie no climate change provisions. All transparent and up front.
 
Corbyn running scared and now going to change tactics. Will concentrate on areas that voted leave in the 2016 referendum where his MP's have constantly voted against leave in Parliament.

The old fart has just realised the strength of feelings by the voters and is attempting to woe them back.
 
Gray said:
Corbyn running scared and now going to change tactics. Will concentrate on areas that voted leave in the 2016 referendum where his MP's have constantly voted against leave in Parliament.

The old fart has just realised the strength of feelings by the voters and is attempting to woe them back.
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they will change their tactic again on the 12 December doing a snow and ice dance to hope the weather will stop people going to polling station.
 
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