I dont want an apology!
I want the hundreds of Labour party members censored/ suspended /banned for their ONLINE AND/OR PERSONAL ABUSE of any jewish person, Labour party worker or Labour MP who dares to criticise the Labour party, comrade Corbyn or other Labour official about the systemic failure of the Labour party in dealing with antisemitism.
Pick any jew who stands up for their faith or other Jews and against the abuse they receive and look at their twitter feeds it's not long before the abuse kicks in.
Says a lot about your obsession.Which produced the most successful Labour governments ever, which (although I am not their biggest fan) did very many good things for poorer people and for public services.
And which Corbyn then regarded with total disgust, and voted against at every opportunity. Says a lot, doesn't it.
https://www.plutobooks.com/9781786805720/bad-news-for-labour/When did I say it was "an example of empiricle evidence of jewish opinion"?
It's where I investigated the claims being made and learned more about the issues being raised given I have access to them due to family members. Other media outlets soon confirmed the claims. There's also the Panorama investigation for your disposal.
Let's turn it around, which publications can you cite that invalidates the claims being made by Jewish Labour members? Because you seem to be very "dismissive" of the claims being made.
Straight up, do you believe Labour has an anti-semitism problem? If not, cite your sources you acknowledge to dispute the claims.
Oh I don't know.It doesn’t matter, what are they gonna do? Throw them out of the election?
And as far as the public go, they don’t care. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, he could do to lose the Brexit vote. Nothing - it’s Brexit at all costs and see what happens after that.
The rest is just noise. None of it matters
Bit too Wagnerian for an anti-semitism discussion, I'd have thought.It's a forum, not a doctor's office, and I am permitted to answer any question I wish. Are you still dissatisfied?
I could give more clarification. I personally identify as "saxon" over jewish given the choice, but cannot deny my heritage, through my mother's side, her mother and grandmother. I've never been a practicing jew but some family members have. I consider my leanings more atuned to Germanic Paganism, Odin, Thor, that kind of thing.
There now, now we can be friends again.
Problem with the maths there I think...Absolutely serious questions -
1/ how do you know how bad it is? What evidence has given you that impression other than that you will have read in the Mail, Telegraph etc? Are you Jewish or do you have many Jewish friends? Are you and they all Labour Party members?
2/ Who reports that half of British Jews would leave? Again the sources? That would be about 1% of the population - 6.6m people seriously going to leave? Where will they go? Israel? Can Israel cope with that number of immigrants "overnight"? Bear in mind post Brexit their freedom of movement in the EU finishes. Getting into the States and now famously places like Australia if you don't score the points is a no-no.
Bot yanking your chain fella I have observed your concern and would be interested to know what empirical evidence you base you dearly held views on?
If Boris announces that policy to the world he'd probably get a majority of over a hundred.And BTW, if you think Swinson would rather put Corbyn into No. 10 instead of Boris, you may be in for a bit of a surprise when Boris offers her a second referendum.
https://www.plutobooks.com/9781786805720/bad-news-for-labour/
Click look inside.
The campaign has been very effective.
From a Survation survey:
Asked of the 62% of people who said they'd heard about the accusations of anti-semitism:
"From what you have seen or heard, what percentage of Labour Party members do you think have had complaints of anti- semitism made against them?"
The result of this was that, on average, they believed that 34 per cent of Labour Party members had had complaints of anti-semitism made against them.
Of course we need the usual disclaimer that this doesn't mean there isn't a problem, just that it's in some people's political interest to make the most of it while ignoring racism in their own ranks.
From memory, Smith was a breath of fresh air for Labour, and was an intelligent, engaging man who was well capableKnowing little about this period of politics, being a mere sprog at the time, does that mean John Smith was behind the New Labour idea, or is that still uniquely Blairs?
So, if Corbyn says (as I do, in fact) that he ABHORS all types of racism, then that's not enough?!! I must be racist too, by that definition!
Again, you're ANOTHER one that refuses to note that Corbyn HAS apologised before, more than once!! You just don't want to hear it as it doesn't fit your "not fit" narrative!
You're a patsy. You're spoon fed bullshit by the Tories and love the taste!
He's no more AS than I am.
You're last line is spot on....as for the rest of it have a word with yourself
You seem to have answered your own question.
He's apologised enough times, that should be enough!
End of story, end of matter, job done! The lawyers are on the case, just like Shami Chakrabarti once did, who declared publicly, that the Labour Party does not have a problem with anti-semitism, and was rewarded with a peerage.
Panorama is just another example of the right-wing media conspiracy to use fake antisemitism claims to discredit Corbyn and Labour! And how credible are the ECHR, really?
Absolutely serious questions -
1/ how do you know how bad it is? What evidence has given you that impression other than that you will have read in the Mail, Telegraph etc? Are you Jewish or do you have many Jewish friends? Are you and they all Labour Party members?
2/ Who reports that half of British Jews would leave? Again the sources? That would be about 1% of the population - 6.6m people seriously going to leave? Where will they go? Israel? Can Israel cope with that number of immigrants "overnight"? Bear in mind post Brexit their freedom of movement in the EU finishes. Getting into the States and now famously places like Australia if you don't score the points is a no-no.
Bot yanking your chain fella I have observed your concern and would be interested to know what empirical evidence you base you dearly held views on?
Classic illustration of "the triumph of hope over experience"Having never been a Brexit supporter, I've never bothered to read anything from Dominic Cummings, but just now, I did. From his blog, I read this:
"I know why many are tempted to vote for Corbyn. Under Cameron and May, there were some big decisions about priorities that were wrong. Most importantly, from summer 2016 Hammond repeatedly blocked cash for the NHS and other services. In 2016 people voted for change — the Conservative Party didn’t hear that properly before the referendum and they didn’t hear it properly after the referendum.
But Boris did hear the demand for change and he will deliver it.
Those of us from the Vote Leave team would never have gone to No10 to help if Boris hadn’t told us that he is determined to change the Conservative Party — change its priorities and change its focus so it really serves the whole country. Most of us were not ‘party people’. For us, parties are a means to an end — a means to improve lives.
If we win a majority, we will do all we can to improve this country — and especially for those who don’t have lots of money, who are surrounded by bad choices of school, who can’t afford a private doctor if their family is sick. Westminster has let the whole country down for many years. As VL said during the referendum — it’s time for change.
If we get a working majority, the Conservative Party will be very different. Grieve and similar characters will be gone. We will have seats in the Midlands and North that have been neglected by all parties. The party and the government will have to change radically."
Who knows whether the above is true, but I hope it is. It is a vision of hope of a better Britain under the Tories. I hope we can deliver it.
Corbyn is vice president of CND, he's,unsurprisingly, been a member since he was 15, a position completely at oddsIt's almost like putting a CND protestor at the heart of nuclear policy and then telling them to do what is best for the country and not themselves.
That makes no sense. Put me in charge of nuclear policy and I'll say "this present MAD policy is not a good one for the country". I suppose the next thing is that you'd tell me I'm being patronising by knowing what's best for the country.It is the extreme protestive nature of Corbyns Labour that people find most unpalatable.
It's almost like putting a CND protestor at the heart of nuclear policy and then telling them to do what is best for the country and not themselves.
From memory, Smith was a breath of fresh air for Labour, and was an intelligent, engaging man who was well capable
of swaying the all important floating voters to his cause. He most certainly bore no political resemblance to the eternal
class war, Marxist inspired crackpot they've got running the show now.
The future Prime Minister. A fucking disgrace but we all know what he's about, no surprise there, its the Opposition I am most disappointed with
There are truly none so blind as cannot see, and someone has gouged your fucking eyes out pal.Says a lot about your obsession.
I would have said that's just not true but I suspect it is, in fact, a lie. (That Corbyn voted at every opportunity against the good things Labour did.)
https://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.ph...slington_North&house=commons&display=allvotes
(NB "rebellion" includes free votes where the majority of Labour MPs voted differently, not just votes against the Labour whip.)