General Election - December 12th, 2019

[BobKowalski]

A good thing eh Bob. So we can provide incentives for businesses to invest - and to stay invested - in the UK after we've left the EU. Or would you prefer we just watch factories close?

Well aside from the WA excluding any chance of this happening on a U.K. basis let’s hear from the IEA on this ‘leftie proposal’ currently supported by your good self comrade. Note I will not at any point reference any of your numerous posts on the folly of propping up failing industries with tax payer cash and bashing Corbyn for advocating as such.

https://iea.org.uk/media/iea-calls-to-expand-state-aid-translate-to-support-for-cronyism/

 

[Blue Hefner]

Real life here,millions of women including myself can't get HRT patches because the government have not paid the drug companies,we are all about to be plunged back into the menopause,something to do with brexit,for those who denied that medications would not be affected,it's a disgrace

I don’t know the particulars of that but if it is to do with Brexit it won’t move anyone’s needle - they will search for reasons why it’s absolutely nothing to do with Brexit and then if none are found they will then 1) point to drugs that the government have previously withdrawn, not paid for etc. when Brexit wasn’t the issue then 2) say it’s a price worth paying

Anyway, I hope it’s nothing to do with Brexit and that you and people in the same position get sorted as soon as possible

 

[Chippy_boy]

More convenient deflection!!

Shall I simplify it for you?

What did he say or do that supported what you claim is 'anti-Semitic'...??

You're being silly again. I gave you examples of things he's said and done in my post above by the way. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.

Here's from Fact Check:

Last week, he said in the ITV leaders’ debate that: “Where anyone has committed any antisemitic acts or made any antisemitic statements, they are either suspended or expelled from the party and we have investigated every single case.”

But that is at odds with a letter from his party’s general secretary, Jennie Formby, who told Labour MPs that between April 2018 and February 2019, some 16 members were “issued with a formal NEC warning” for antisemitism, 25 got a “reminder of conduct” from the ruling body.

In other words, dozens of Labour members were given sanctions other than suspension or expulsion for antisemitism as recently as 2018-19. A member who shared a video questioning whether six million Jews died in the Holocaust — has only received a “reminder of conduct” letter!

The Jewish Labour Movement (For Fucks Sake!) is so incandescent with rage that it is refusing to campaign for any Labour candidates, bar the two remaining Jewish women

And still you try to stand up for Corbyn? Unbelievable Jeff.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Well aside from the WA excluding any chance of this happening on a U.K. basis let’s hear from the IEA on this ‘leftie proposal’ currently supported by your good self comrade. Note I will not at any point reference any of your numerous posts on the folly of propping up failing industries with tax payer cash and bashing Corbyn for advocating as such.

https://iea.org.uk/media/iea-calls-to-expand-state-aid-translate-to-support-for-cronyism/

You of course know that I did not say "failing" above, Bob. I absolutely think it is wrong to prop up failing industries. Providing incentives and compensations if such are needed to offset tariffs etc is a completely different subject.

It is not rocket science that IF - and it is a big IF - IF we leave the EU on WTO terms and without a frictionless trade deal, then certain sectors of our economy will fare less well than were we to stay. At least in the short term. No shit, Sherlock. So it is good that in such circumstances we will have all possible options at our disposal to minimise any deleterious effects. And also, BTW why the prophecies of doom and the economic forecasts of doom, are so grossly overplayed and inaccurate. They completely ignore the opportunity for us to provide support and mitigate risks.

 

[BobKowalski]

A good thing eh Bob. So we can provide incentives for businesses to invest - and to stay invested - in the UK after we've left the EU. Or would you prefer we just watch factories close?

The Institute for Directors also stated, admittedly somewhat sarcastically,

‘It's not clear how these (proposals) will fit with ambitions of a 'Global Britain’ @IoD

 

[Scottyboi]

So to hell with the mess that we cause and have caused? If this is your view then at least you're honest about it I guess.
Parliament makes decisions that affect the wider world. Issues of foreign policy may not hold much importance with yourself, but it holds great importance with other people.

How long has Israel been a country and how long does our obligation last is there a time limit?

 

[Ban-jani]

More convenient deflection!!

Shall I simplify it for you?

What did he say or do that supported what you claim is 'anti-Semitic'...??

Corbyn?

He said in 2011 that it’s bias to suggest Israel has the right to exist.

He challenged the removal of an antisemitic mural in 2012 from the side of a street, depicting a group of Jewish men sat round a monopoly board and the world, with human figures underneath it.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Real life here,millions of women including myself can't get HRT patches because the government have not paid the drug companies,we are all about to be plunged back into the menopause,something to do with brexit,for those who denied that medications would not be affected,it's a disgrace

Im struggling to get Naproxen .... my brother in law is struggling with some of his meds as well

 

[Bigga]

So you have an open mind? That's good to hear. So what is your neutral assessment of the open letter from the Board of Deputies of British Jews:

"Hizbollah commits terrorist atrocities against Jews, but Corbyn calls them his friends and attends pro-Hizbollah rallies in London… Raed Salah says Jews kill Christian children to drink their blood. Corbyn opposes his extradition and invites him for tea at the House of Commons'. They went on: 'These are not the only cases. He is repeatedly found alongside people with blatantly anti-Semitic views but claims never to hear or read them."

Are we to assume they are simply mistaken, or have some vendetta against him for completely unrelated reasons? What is your suggested explanation for Jewish bodies like this - and they are far from the only ones, aren't they - consistently having these views of Corbyn?

Surely someone with an open mind, can see there is a bit of an issue here?

I will compare your first point to the well known phrase "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" as was Mandela at one point except Corbyn is trying to gather people to talk. You don't want to accept that despite the evidence repeatedly given.

Raed Salah...?
https://electronicintifada.net/blog...-semitism-attacks-jeremy-corbyn-are-dishonest

I think that Corbyn champions ALL causes for the underdog and that comes with its own set of problems as not all of them are "pure as the driven snow".

But what political causes can you think of that are not tainted somewhere down the line with someone linked to that cause.

I think you, like many others, keep chuntering the same talking points that are debunked.

You keep not wanting other viewpoints to temper your own 'evidence', so... oh well.

 

[Ban-jani]

You're being silly again. I gave you examples of things he's said and done in my post above by the way. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.

Here's from Fact Check:

Last week, he said in the ITV leaders’ debate that: “Where anyone has committed any antisemitic acts or made any antisemitic statements, they are either suspended or expelled from the party and we have investigated every single case.”

But that is at odds with a letter from his party’s general secretary, Jennie Formby, who told Labour MPs that between April 2018 and February 2019, some 16 members were “issued with a formal NEC warning” for antisemitism, 25 got a “reminder of conduct” from the ruling body.

In other words, dozens of Labour members were given sanctions other than suspension or expulsion for antisemitism as recently as 2018-19. A member who shared a video questioning whether six million Jews died in the Holocaust — has only received a “reminder of conduct” letter!

The Jewish Labour Movement (For Fucks Sake!) is so incandescent with rage that it is refusing to campaign for any Labour candidates, bar the two remaining Jewish women

And still you try to stand up for Corbyn? Unbelievable Jeff.

Yes he is.

He’s doesn’t give a shit about Jewish people, his last few posts have confirmed that.

 

[blueinsa]

Real life here,millions of women including myself can't get HRT patches because the government have not paid the drug companies,we are all about to be plunged back into the menopause,something to do with brexit,for those who denied that medications would not be affected,it's a disgrace

Fuck all to do with brexit so stop it.

from the Guardian...

"The crisis reportedly started in late 2018 when supply issues that began in China forced some manufacturers to stop producing HRT patches. This resulted in increased demand for other brands, which in turn became scarce.

Shortages are expected to continue until next year".

 

[Homar]

How long has Israel been a country and how long does our obligation last is there a time limit?

It lasts until the Palestinians are able to live in their homeland and have equal rights under the law.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I will compare your first point to the well known phrase "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" as was Mandela at one point except Corbyn is trying to gather people to talk. You don't want to accept that despite the evidence repeatedly given.

Raed Salah...?
https://electronicintifada.net/blog...-semitism-attacks-jeremy-corbyn-are-dishonest

I think that Corbyn champions ALL causes for the underdog and that comes with its own set of problems as not all of them are "pure as the driven snow".

But what political causes can you think of that are not tainted somewhere down the line with someone linked to that cause.

I think you, like many others, keep chuntering the same talking points that are debunked.

You keep not wanting other viewpoints to temper your own 'evidence', so... oh well.

You are correct that I do NOT have an open mind regards Corbyn, and nor have I ever claimed to. I think he is an abomination on every level and that view is never changing.

 

[BobKowalski]

You of course know that I did not say "failing" above, Bob. I absolutely think it is wrong to prop up failing industries. Providing incentives and compensations if such are needed to offset tariffs etc is a completely different subject.

Ah comrade it seems neither the IEA or IoD agree with your ‘generous’ interpretation of what these new measures mean. In any event a warm welcome to your sudden embrace of Socialist Britain 70’s style. What was it about the blonde buffoon that converted you to old school socialism?

 

[Scottyboi]

It lasts until the Palestinians are able to live in their homeland and have equal rights under the law.

So why can this not be kept separate from Labour? Have your own separate rallies for the plight of Palestine. I just think it is a ball and chain round Labour that needs cutting off.

 

[Bigga]

And you have persistently refused to confirm if you’ve watched the panorama documentary.

It’s hilarious you’re using JOB for your argument, one of the most critical on the radio of Labour’s antisemitism crisis.

I can’t watch the video as I’m work.

Look mate, I’m getting the impression that because you’ve been so anti-racist on the Trump thread, and yet are here defending it in the Labour Party, that you’re not serious about it, or are only serious when it affects you.

I think you’re a total you know what and all the respect I’ve built up for you as a poster in the Trump thread, has disappeared.

86% of Jewish Brits aren’t wrong and you fucking know it.

Get it right.

YOU'VE accused Corbyn directly of being 'anti-Semitic'. By your definition, if he is, then I am, too.

I've repeated what he's done or is doing and you reject it.

My personal position rejects anybody racist and that has been a constant all my life.

If you've lost 'goodwill' towards me, then that's your choice.

The only thing Corbyn has done 'wrong' is fighting for the rights of everyone.

 

[Bigga]

You're being silly again. I gave you examples of things he's said and done in my post above by the way. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.

Here's from Fact Check:

Last week, he said in the ITV leaders’ debate that: “Where anyone has committed any antisemitic acts or made any antisemitic statements, they are either suspended or expelled from the party and we have investigated every single case.”

But that is at odds with a letter from his party’s general secretary, Jennie Formby, who told Labour MPs that between April 2018 and February 2019, some 16 members were “issued with a formal NEC warning” for antisemitism, 25 got a “reminder of conduct” from the ruling body.

In other words, dozens of Labour members were given sanctions other than suspension or expulsion for antisemitism as recently as 2018-19. A member who shared a video questioning whether six million Jews died in the Holocaust — has only received a “reminder of conduct” letter!

The Jewish Labour Movement (For Fucks Sake!) is so incandescent with rage that it is refusing to campaign for any Labour candidates, bar the two remaining Jewish women

And still you try to stand up for Corbyn? Unbelievable Jeff.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Ah comrade it seems neither the IEA or IoD agree with your ‘generous’ interpretation of what these new measures mean. In any event a warm welcome to your sudden embrace of Socialist Britain 70’s style. What was it about the blonde buffoon that converted you to old school socialism?

Deary me.

As I told you already, I do not advocate propping up "failing" and uncompetitive industries. Nothing has changed and I have not "converted" to socialism. Funny that, FFS!!!

There is nothing "comradey" about wanting to see British industry do well. Perhaps you'd accuse Heseltine of being hard left for his support of British industry when he was trade and industry secretary? I do not advocate supporting "failing" and uncompetitive industries but helping us smoothly transition through a successful Brexit, is ENTIRELY different. Beggars belief that you would be so utterly petty to try to score points about this. Pathetic in fact.

 

[Homar]

So why can this not be kept separate from Labour? Have your own separate rallies for the plight of Palestine. I just think it is a ball and chain round Labour that needs cutting off.

It's a political issue. It should be a cross-party issue, but it seems that the Tories couldn't care less about the Palestinians. It's unfortunate that Labour's support for Palestine is often either honestly misinterpreted or intentionally misrepresented as antisemitic. I agree with you that it certainly isn't doing Labour any favours, though that it mostly because of how the media has chosen to paint things. But I certainly respect that they have the courage of their conviction.

 

[Bigga]

You're being silly again. I gave you examples of things he's said and done in my post above by the way. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.

Here's from Fact Check:

Last week, he said in the ITV leaders’ debate that: “Where anyone has committed any antisemitic acts or made any antisemitic statements, they are either suspended or expelled from the party and we have investigated every single case.”

But that is at odds with a letter from his party’s general secretary, Jennie Formby, who told Labour MPs that between April 2018 and February 2019, some 16 members were “issued with a formal NEC warning” for antisemitism, 25 got a “reminder of conduct” from the ruling body.

In other words, dozens of Labour members were given sanctions other than suspension or expulsion for antisemitism as recently as 2018-19. A member who shared a video questioning whether six million Jews died in the Holocaust — has only received a “reminder of conduct” letter!

The Jewish Labour Movement (For Fucks Sake!) is so incandescent with rage that it is refusing to campaign for any Labour candidates, bar the two remaining Jewish women

And still you try to stand up for Corbyn? Unbelievable Jeff.

Well, I don't want to do whataboutism regarding the Cons suspending and immediately allowing member back in, so I won't. :)

What I will say is that I don't know about the individual cases, so I can't comment directly on them, but if you're in a job don't you suspensions and warning regarding conduct, so protocol is followed...?

As for the member that said about the holocaust he's a tool. He should have been dealt with more severely, but I don't know their rules.

But, your last sentence was very interesting; why ARE there still Jewish MPs under Corbyn...?