General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
BlueAnorak said:
So you're not prepared to review the evidence so you change tac by dissing the messenger.
Guido was the only source I could quickly find where all the evidence was available in one place. It certainly wasn't available at the Canary - another web side I browse on occasion. Does that make me a Momentum member?
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It makes you a supremely poor researcher.

I would rather go away and come back with a more comprehensible response factoring in debunked accusations and using what's not been answered.

You are poor at it.
 
Vic said:
Gosh. What do you call someone who makes up what someone might have said then calls him a wanker for not saying it?
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You call them "accurate".

"I’m not happy with the shoot-to-kill policy in general – I think that is quite dangerous and I think can often be counterproductive" - Jeremy Corbyn, 2015.

"I am awaiting an explanation of where the legal basis was for that incident that went on." - Jeremy Corbyn, on the drone strike on Isis fighter Mohammed Emwazi.

"I’ve been involved in opposing anti-terror legislation ever since I first went into Parliament in 1983" - JC, 2011
 
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blueinsa said:
We live in a free country.

Corbyn could also say no and probably should be advised to as he has everything to lose and literally nothing to gain from going on.

As I said its basic stuff and those running the Labour campaign are useless in these respects.
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But we don't live in a 'free' country where the national broadcaster blatantly favours the Government.
Why don't you just admit it - you want Brexit done, you hate Corbyn , so you're prepared to hold your nose and vote for Johnson.
Stop trying to defend him and just be honest with yourself.
 
BlueAnorak said:
To be fair, Yevette Cooper started that particular ball rolling yesterday.
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It's hardly an attack is it?

"Usman Khan was sentenced for serious terror offence in Feb 2012. Thought to be so dangerous by judge he was given IPP sentence to prevent release if still serious threat. Instead he was released 6 yrs later without Parole Board assessment. How cd this be allowed to happen?"

Then Liar Patel tries to blame a change in law under Labour (as Liar May did in seeking to blame Labour for Grenfell).
 
Len Rum said:
But we don't live in a 'free' country where the national broadcaster blatantly favours the Government.
Why don't you just admit it - you want Brexit done, you hate Corbyn , so you're prepared to hold your nose and vote for Johnson.
Stop trying to defend him and just be honest with yourself.
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Literally nothing to do with the point we are discussing but we'll done Len lol.
 
George Hannah said:
retweeting Femi as his evidence. I know things are desperate for the LP but pass me my black cap - Nazir is getting the Georgian chop.
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Whether you disagree with him, or dislike him he is still respected as a lawyer/barrister and his opinion is valid.

Personally I have seen him and disagreed with him but I will take his experience on this subject as better than mine or johnsons
 
urban genie said:
He was asked about early release and said it would have to be looled at individualy, Sophie Ridge who was interviewing then said "so not necessarly" and he said well no if you put it that way.

He then went on to talk about how the probabtion service needs to be looked at and why such a person was allowed out on early release in the first place and allowed to attend this confrence outside his electronic tag boundry and unsupervised.

He also supported the police using shoot to kill, which is a new for him.
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The Tories on here may be right though. Brexit has proved that common sense and reason are "not necessarily" vote winners.
 
Chippy_boy said:
And incidentally, it is pretty obvious Marr is a Labour voter. Friendly relaxed chat with Chakribati, compared to him trying to tear strips of Johnson and talking over him when Johnson is trying to answer a question.
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Was Chakrabarti lying about anything?
 
Vic said:
It's hardly an attack is it?

"Usman Khan was sentenced for serious terror offence in Feb 2012. Thought to be so dangerous by judge he was given IPP sentence to prevent release if still serious threat. Instead he was released 6 yrs later without Parole Board assessment. How cd this be allowed to happen?"

Then Liar Patel tries to blame a change in law under Labour (as Liar May did in seeking to blame Labour for Grenfell).
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Don't politicise an event and not expect your opponents to do likewise.
 
Chippy_boy said:
And incidentally, it is pretty obvious Marr is a Labour voter. Friendly relaxed chat with Chakribati, compared to him trying to tear strips of Johnson and talking over him when Johnson is trying to answer a question.
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Marr was a Maoist in uni, but after a stint working for the ecconomist has stated his views dramatically changed from that of a leftie to a more conservative liberal.

If anything he would probably be similar in view to cameron or bliar than supporting labour in it's present left wing stance.
 
Bigga said:
It makes you a supremely poor researcher.

I would rather go away and come back with a more comprehensible response factoring in debunked accusations and using what's not been answered.

You are poor at it.
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Dissing the messenger again.
Go on then find me a collection of articles detailing the Labour antisemitism problem from A-Z. Hopefully from your point of view, with rebuttals.
 
Vic said:
The Tories on here may be right though. Brexit has proved that common sense and reason are "not necessarily" vote winners.
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As has the 30% of the Labour vote in the polls. It should be 0%.

Nationalising industries at enormous costs and for no benefit? Makes perfect sense... To an idiot.

Bringing back union power and making striking easier? Why not. Bringing companies to their knees with "Collective Blackmailing". (or is it "Bargaining"? Same thing). Of course.
 
George Hannah said:
He hasn't said why though - apart from an apparent adherence to the general proposition that everything said by the Tories is a lie.
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You should read this guy George. He will give you a handle on how the Tory policies have been systematically dismantling our criminal justice system.

A word of warning though, it is very depressing reading.

 
Chippy_boy said:
And incidentally, it is pretty obvious Marr is a Labour voter. Friendly relaxed chat with Chakribati, compared to him trying to tear strips of Johnson and talking over him when Johnson is trying to answer a question.
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Tearing strips is what journalism is about, is it not? You applaud it when it happens to Corbyn, yet are angry when it comes from a 'softball' interviewer like Marr.

Supposed to be 'easy meat', right? Did you see Johnson shifting in his seat scrambling for answers?

Sure, he got his fist pumping "get Brexit done" out there and then tried to filibuster answers outside of the direct answers he supposed to give.

'Softball' Marr got fed up of it and called him out on it and Marr will let you chunter like he did for Umunna.

As for 'oven ready' he never came out with it as he's been lying for a long time about that. Marr asked him about set plans and it turns out Johnson doesn't have any, but is working towards these 'oven ready' plans right now!!

There's nothing but 'seed money' for the business plans for upgrading 6 hospitals and no actual plans for building 40!

He actually said 'upgrading 20 and building 40' more hospitals.

If 'Softball' Marr can do that to him, you're fucked. I don't think he'll do another public interview until the very last day and maybe not even then.
 
dave_blue12 said:
You should read this guy George. He will give you a handle on how the Tory policies have been systematically dismantling our criminal justice system.

A word of warning though, it is very depressing reading.

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I have, his summary of the CA judgement key issue is really quite poor. Leveson & Co chose to disregard the sentencing judge and MI5 specific concerns about Khan for no good reason.
 
Vic said:
It's hardly an attack is it?

"Usman Khan was sentenced for serious terror offence in Feb 2012. Thought to be so dangerous by judge he was given IPP sentence to prevent release if still serious threat. Instead he was released 6 yrs later without Parole Board assessment. How cd this be allowed to happen?"

Then Liar Patel tries to blame a change in law under Labour (as Liar May did in seeking to blame Labour for Grenfell).
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Labour is as much to blame for Grenfel as anyone else by its changes to fire protection legislation that meant a "desktop review" of the fire safety of materials could be carried out instead of insisting on a destructive fire safety test of material combinations. The Tories downgraded London fire safety in the 80s to national standards rather than upgrading the whole nation to the stricter London Standards.
 
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