General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
George Hannah said:
with those editing skills you could get a job on here

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No hint of 'evidence based opinion' in this diatribe....
George Hannah said:
Not a chance, it's a Swinson bozo that'll be getting my tick if they keep their revoke promise. Corbyn is indeed a hollow man - that's the problem. His manifesto is a tissue of lies concealing the brute fact that if the union controlled hard left seize the levers of power they'll certainly launch a 5 year Marxist attack on global capitalism. Our country will be used as a disposable weapon in their antique idelogical war and will be irreparably damaged as a result. If you want to live in a culturally and economically eviscerated totalitarian state vote for Jezzer - no need to move to Venezuela.
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inbetween said:
Tax increases from where though? The IFS has already said that Labours tax plans are not credible. Therefore they must surely be proposing a stealth general taxation rise which would be the biggest lie of the whole campaign.

In fact I wouldn't even push it that far, I don't think the likes of Mcdonnell cares because the real intention of Labour is to control borrowing long term by printing money.

Labour subsequently don't need to worry about controlling inflation, interest rates or house prices etc because they will own the banks, they will own the houses and they will own and set the price of everything, socialism 101.

Hiding their true intentions behind the fluffy stop poverty banner is the greatest dupe of this entire election.
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Jeez. Put the tinfoil away. Labour cannot do all the stuff they promised so they will do some of the stuff they promised. Some of it they will do well, some of it not so well just like any other administration. Labour have already laid out the proposed tax increases and the increased borrowing which would put us into mid table of European countries.

Fact is this country needs public investment. NHS, Social care, infrastructure, even the armed forces. It also needs a better geographical spread of investment. All this bollocks about controlling banks or confiscating your house is a waste of everyones time. Labour have an incoherent plan and the Tories have no fucking plan except no doubt to blame everything on immigrants and the EU.

Pick a plan or vote LibDem. Your choice.
 
Postman Pep said:
No hint of 'evidence based opinion' in this diatribe....
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Evidence you want is it? I know, I know - he was only joking....

I think not, you know McDonnell's plans my friend. The Labour manifesto is just a pile of undeliverable promises - growing by the day. Already four times the cost of the 2017 variety which was itself based on ruinous borrowing. It's designed to fool the public into allowing his Marxist experiment with this country's future by deceiving them into believing only the rich will pay for a utopian spending spree. Shame on anyone who supports those lies.
 
BobKowalski said:
Jeez. Put the tinfoil away. Labour cannot do all the stuff they promised so they will do some of the stuff they promised. Some of it they will do well, some of it not so well just like any other administration. Labour have already laid out the proposed tax increases and the increased borrowing which would put us into mid table of European countries.

Fact is this country needs public investment. NHS, Social care, infrastructure, even the armed forces. It also needs a better geographical spread of investment. All this bollocks about controlling banks or confiscating your house is a waste of everyones time. Labour have an incoherent plan and the Tories have no fucking plan except no doubt to blame everything on immigrants and the EU.

Pick a plan or vote LibDem. Your choice.
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Most of us will pick the Tory plan then Bob. Thanks for that, discussion over then.

BTW, no European country of the type you reckon we would be in the middle of, raises so little tax from the average taxpayer. So we'd be extremely atypical, and it would be entirely unworkable. Of course you probably know this, but the alternative - the only alternative - is a Tory majority, something your intrinsically lefty outlook cannot bear to contemplate.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Most of us will pick the Tory plan then Bob. Thanks for that, discussion over then.

BTW, no European country of the type you reckon we would be in the middle of, raises so little tax from the average taxpayer. So we'd be extremely atypical, and it would be entirely unworkable. Of course you probably know this, but the alternative - the only alternative - is a Tory majority, something your intrinsically lefty outlook cannot bear to contemplate.
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Most won’t, about 40/43 % will.
 
George Hannah said:
Evidence you want is it? I know, I know - he was only joking....

I think not, you know McDonnell's plans my friend. The Labour manifesto is just a pile of undeliverable promises - growing by the day. Already four times the cost of the 2017 variety which was itself based on ruinous borrowing. It's designed to fool the public into allowing his Marxist experiment with the future if this country by deceiving them into believing only the rich will pay for a utopian spending spree. Shame on anyone who supports those lies.
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McDonnell last year:

"The next Labour government will put democratically owned and managed public services irreversibly in the hands of workers and of those who rely on their work."

He said: "We aren't going to take back control of these industries in order to put them into the hands of a remote bureaucracy, but to put them into the hands of all of you - so that they can never again be taken away."

What's he planning, do you reckon? He's been calling for "systemic change" which cannot be reversed for a while now.

It's like Karl Marx transported to the 21st century in some unimaginable nightmare, and some people are so incredibly idiotic, they are actually thinking of voting for it???? It truly beggars belief.
 
Johnson doing his Mayday campaign - hiding away - appearing in front of invited audiences in cold draughty halls with the chosen few crowding the stage to try and look like a cast of thousands

Why didn't the PM get heckled in Southampton?

Our political correspondent's thoughts from the Tory campaign bus...

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Ben Wright

BBC political correspondent


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It’s an old story but I’ll tell it anyway.

During the 1964 general election campaign Harold Wilson was trumpeting his support for the navy at a vast public meeting in the dockyard town of Chatham.

“And why am I saying all this?" he asked rhetorically. "Because you're in Chatham!” shouted a voice from the crowd.

A famously fine heckle from an era where prime ministers had to contend with the electorate face to face. They still do from behind their TV studio podiums of course but the public meeting and town centre walkabout has mostly gone.

We’re 10 days from polling day and from my perch in the Tory campaign I’ve yet to hear a heckle. Not one.

Today Boris Johnson turned up at a deserted cruise liner terminal at Southampton docks to plug his party’s policies for border control after Brexit.

He chugged around the quiet port in a boat and did a quick television interview on his response to Friday’s terror attack before heading off to a rally for Tory activists this evening.

The PM was in and out before the city’s voters twigged he was there. It’s the same wherever Mr Johnson goes.

The Conservative campaign feels efficient, focused and sterile. Clips for broadcasters are provided, Tory social media content is recorded and pictures of the prime minister in different bits of Britain are taken that will appear online and in tomorrow’s newspapers.

But spontaneous encounters between the PM and the general public hardly ever happen.

It’s now impossible to imagine Boris Johnson copying John Major’s 1992 campaign and plunging into the crowd to argue his case.

During the 2016 referendum, Mr Johnson seemed to relish the chaotic cut and thrust of town to town campaigning but there’s none of that now.

The Tory battle bus still ploughs up and down the country’s motorways carrying the media from one event to the next but it feels the real electioneering is happening somewhere else.
 
Chippy_boy said:
McDonnell last year:

"The next Labour government will put democratically owned and managed public services irreversibly in the hands of workers and of those who rely on their work."

He said: "We aren't going to take back control of these industries in order to put them into the hands of a remote bureaucracy, but to put them into the hands of all of you - so that they can never again be taken away."

What's he planning, do you reckon? He's been calling for "systemic change" which cannot be reversed for a while now.

It's like Karl Marx transported to the 21st century in some unimaginable nightmare, and some people are so incredibly idiotic, they are actually thinking of voting for it???? It truly beggars belief.
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He's planning on no billionaire making you a slave to fill his pockets.

It's a nice thought that he cares for the people that make the profit.
 
Bigga said:
He's planning on no billionaire making you a slave to fill his pockets.

It's a nice thought that he cares for the people that make the profit.
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That's what they said about Lenin when he redistributed land among the peasants, nationalised banks and large-scale industry. That ended well didn't it.
 
I heard this recently:

'When you're young and you don't vote Labour, you haven't got a heart. But when you're older and you don't vote Tory, you haven't got a brain.'

I'm really stuck on this election. Living in a safe Tory seat, my other vote (could be any party really) would not make the slightest difference. I'm not sure I can be arsed, very sad to say that but given the state of the opposition and the clear lack of one, does not lean me to Labour. LibDems a remote possibility, after all Jo Swinson has fessed up to getting stoned in her younger days, something I admire and not much has been said about that, but her remark of seeing herself as PM was laughable. The Tories are the only party with a strong leader, whether I like him or not, but he has 'it's. I cant see past a Tory majority, they've pushed out the remain MPs already so an election victory will mean Brexit gets passed with a majority and off we all sail into the great sea of independence.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Missed this.

Since I have a brain, I can categorically say that the above tweet is unmitigated bollocks.
  1. US firms can ALREADY bid for NHS outsource contracts. Have we "sold the NHS" already some years ago? No.
  2. US firms ALREADY supply us with drugs. Have we "sold the NHS" some years ago? No.
  3. We would in any event not award additional contracts UNLESS IN OUR INTERESTS to do so.
  4. Even if they were able to bid for more work, or more drugs supply, then that does not mean the NHS Is "up for sale".
  5. The government PAYS third parties for drugs and services. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND, Mark, you utter moron.
  6. The tweeter is a complete imbecile at best.
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Quite. Incidentally, 50% of all cancer drugs come from the US.
 
xgorton said:
The Tory leads crumbling,hung parliament and another Brexit vote on it's way.Bluemoon Labour vote going up as well.
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The Tory vote is not crumbling at all. It is very slowly increasing due to Brexit party voters realising that if the Tories don't win. Brexit won't happen.
It is the Lib Dem vote that is crumbling. I can only presume because for those who are moving to Labour it is Remain or bust. Probably Remain AND bust if Labour actually win.
 
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