General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
George Hannah said:
I suspect you haven't had much to do with the chaps who currently run Momentum, the big unions and the Labour Party. Pragmatism and being constrained isn't what they are in politics for.
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Again disagree but as a member of a union who have just had 97% strike ballot overturned by the high court on dubious claims of malpractice I would wouldn't I.
 
bluethrunthru said:
What qualifies you to post on their inner workings? Seriously? Not a Labour member - not a Momentum member - probably get all your info from the Mail/Express/Torygraphabout Momentum yet the expert on Momentum?
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I was an active Labour Party member for 50 years until 2017 and encountering Momentum in our CLP. My knowledge is first hand - sorry to disappoint you.
 
George Hannah said:
I was an active Labour Party member for 50 years until 2017 and encountering Momentum in our CLP. My knowledge is first hand - sorry to disappoint you.
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Thank you for putting flesh upon the bone - not the slightest idea why you would think that would disappoint me.
 
George Hannah said:
I was an active Labour Party member for 50 years until 2017 and encountering Momentum in our CLP. My knowledge is first hand - sorry to disappoint you.
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George, I find that hard to believe.

Even the most reactionary Labour party member I've ever met had a least a scintilla of progressive politics about him, you? You make the Borgias look like pinko commies.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Thank you for putting flesh upon the bone - not the slightest idea why you would think that would disappoint me.
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Because of the scorn and bitterness evident in your earlier post?:
bluethrunthru said:
What qualifies you to post on their inner workings? Seriously? Not a Labour member - not a Momentum member - probably get all your info from the Mail/Express/Torygraphabout Momentum yet the expert on Momentum?
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George Hannah said:
I posted this yesterday
Births falling - deaths rising - Tories to blame?
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It was a joke btw - but you will notice the low point in the birth rate was during Labour's winter of discontent and it also coincided with the peak in the death rate.
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The low birth rate was just a cyclical thing - the 60s baby boom was a generation after the post war baby boom. Why would the birth rate dip during the winter of discontent? You'd expect it to dip nine months later. (Actually you'd expect it to go up if the myths about the extent of power cuts was anything like reality.)
 
George Hannah said:
and how do think he proposes to change the capitalist system?
"In this blog, Labour’s Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell considers the uses of this ever-changing, multiplicitous party, asking what is the Labour Party for?
What is the Labour Party for? This has been the question at the centre of the party’s history since the first trade unionists and progressives came together to discuss whether an independent political party to represent working people should exist at all. The question has focused on whether the Labour Party is a party of social reform aiming simply to ameliorate our existing capitalist society, or a reformist party that seeks to replace capitalism by incremental social reform, or a transformative, some would say revolutionary party, aiming at the radical replacement of the existing economic and social system." https://www.plutobooks.com/blog/what-is-the-labour-party-for-john-mcdonnell/
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That's the question. The rest of the blog is just pragmatic about the chance of "transformative" action.
 
The Black Shed said:
I heard this recently:

'When you're young and you don't vote Labour, you haven't got a heart. But when you're older and you don't vote Tory, you haven't got a brain.'

I'm really stuck on this election. Living in a safe Tory seat, my other vote (could be any party really) would not make the slightest difference. I'm not sure I can be arsed, very sad to say that but given the state of the opposition and the clear lack of one, does not lean me to Labour. LibDems a remote possibility, after all Jo Swinson has fessed up to getting stoned in her younger days, something I admire and not much has been said about that, but her remark of seeing herself as PM was laughable. The Tories are the only party with a strong leader, whether I like him or not, but he has 'it's. I cant see past a Tory majority, they've pushed out the remain MPs already so an election victory will mean Brexit gets passed with a majority and off we all sail into the great sea of independence.
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Glad you didn't say Johnson was stable.

The opening quote wasn't what I heard from one elderly woman yesterday: wants to keep her free TV licence, bus pass, medical treatment (after a recent heart attack). Someone else had a NHS operation go wrong but they know how much not using the NHS would cost (and plenty of private and farmed-out operations go wrong).
 
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