General Election - December 12th, 2019

[bobmcfc]

The scary thing is that the level of poverty has been pretty static for nearly 20 years (possibly more) ...

It seems, from that, that poverty improved a little during the austerity years, and I'm going to take a stab at Universal Credit being the cause of the more recent reversal around 2014/15.

However, the absolute and relative low income levels appear little changed since 2007 ...

On the left, the relative calculation (blue) is static, but it is possibly misleading because it bases the low income level on average earnings, so when they rise (and generally low incomes don't) then gives a false figure because it pulls the low-income level too high making more people in poverty. The absolute level (pink) takes a fixed point and applies inflation to the low-income level. Again it's a little misleading because it ignores the salary gap, so the true point is probably somewhere between the two.

Of course any poverty is a bad thing but these charts suggest something bigger than just government policy to me. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a sudden rise in poverty following the rapid housing price rises of the nineties and early part of this century.

Wasn’t poverty redefined first and then child poverty act completely abolished in 2016 ?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....es-redefined-child-poverty-no-longer-finances

 

[Mike D]

Evidence you want is it? I know, I know - he was only joking....

Shame on anyone who supports those lies.

I do pity those who believes a serial liar like Johnson who repeats the same lies and uses the death of terrorist attack as a political stunt to smear the opposition.

 

[Ban-jani]

Continue with the memes, you’re showing the entire forum your level.

 

[Metal Biker]

Continue with the memes, you’re showing the entire forum your level.

And he's not even using them right.

First one, maybe, the following two though...

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

Wasn’t poverty redefined and the child poverty act completely abolished in 2016 ?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....es-redefined-child-poverty-no-longer-finances

I'm using this site, https://fullfact.org/economy/poverty-uk-guide-facts-and-figures/, who in turn use https://socialmetricscommission.org.uk/social-metrics-commission-results-tables-2/ who as far as I can tell are an independent body. The charts 'suggest' they have backdated their calculations, although their algorithm has only been developed since last year and I haven't had chance to double check that, but nothing I have read mentions a mix of methodologies.

 

[blueinsa]

If only it was as easy as voting for Labour meant no poverty, no hunger, no unemployment, no one on welfare, no one waiting for treatment, no one homeless etc etc.

All of the above would still be visible in our society and worse still, when the bill has to be picked up from a frankly reckless spending plan they will get worse.

A Venezuela model might sound great but when you look at Venezuela the reality of just how shit it is is rammed home.

Corbyn and McDonnell saying they care doesnt wash either when the above affects you as neither of those two will ever have to face the harsh realities of what their policies and ideology mean for millions.

Harsh truth is fuck all of note will change for the vast majority of us until such a time we all wake up and demand a change to the way our votes count.

 

[George Hannah]

I do pity those who believes a serial liar like Johnson who repeats the same lies and uses the death of terrorist attack as a political stunt to smear the opposition.

You mean Yvette Cooper swiftly followed by every other Labour Party politician appearing in the media? As for serial liars - well there is an abundance of choice in every party.
Save your pity for the inhabitants of this country if Corbyn's throwbacks fool enough voters next week to put them in power.

 

[Ban-jani]

If only it was as easy as voting for Labour meant no poverty, no hunger, no unemployment, no one on welfare, no one waiting for treatment, no one homeless etc etc.

All of the above would still be visible in our society and worse still, when the bill has to be picked up from a frankly reckless spending plan they will get worse.

A Venezuela model might sound great but when you look at Venezuela the reality of just how shit it is is rammed home.

Corbyn and McDonnell saying they care doesnt wash either when the above affects you as neither of those two will ever have to face the harsh realities of what their policies and ideology mean for millions.

Harsh truth is fuck all of note will change for the vast majority of us until such a time we all wake up and demand a change to the way our votes count.

A Venezuelan works for our company.

5 minutes with her, going through details of growing up and having to leave the country will totally change anyone’s mind on socialism.

She fucking despises Corbyn and McDonnell.

 

[bobmcfc]

You mean Yvette Cooper swiftly followed by every other Labour Party politician appearing in the media? As for serial liars - well there is an abundance of choice in every party.
Save your pity for the inhabitants of this country if Corbyn's throwbacks fool enough voters next week to put them in power.

When they tell you they are tough on terror it’s bollocks. How is taking thousands of police officers off the streets mean to keep you safe. It makes you less safe

 

[purplenose]

Both Tory and Labour are a catastrophe of biblical proportions in waiting. That is a fact they are both infested with serial liars and fools.

Meanwhile millions argue which is better....here is the answer. Neither of them. Which ever is in No10 at Xmas will do nothing more than take the country to unimaginable depths. I wont endorse that and am astonished so many will vote for these fools, thus we will get exactly what we deserve and its not going to be good.

 

[blueinsa]

Both Tory and Labour are a catastrophe of biblical proportions in waiting. That is a fact they are both infested with serial liars and fools.

Meanwhile millions argue which is better....here is the answer. Neither of them. Which ever is in No10 at Xmas will do nothing more than take the country to unimaginable depths. I wont endorse that and am astonished so many will vote for these fools, thus we will get exactly what we deserve and its not going to be good.

Very much this.

 

[Mike D]

You mean Yvette Cooper swiftly followed by every other Labour Party politician appearing in the media? As for serial liars - well there is an abundance of choice in every party.
Save your pity for the inhabitants of this country if Corbyn's throwbacks fool enough voters next week to put them in power.

And you think Trump's pooch is gonna lead us on to great things!!

 

[The perfect fumble]

Quick question, anyone know if we're still having the Festival of Brexit?

 

[mat]

The vitriol at Corbyn aimed by a couple of posters on here reminds me of the boy at school who fancied a girl and would rather slag her off than admit their true feelings.

It's nothing to be ashamed of chaps. Be honest with yourselves as you see something positive in him you wish you had.

 

[Mike D]

If only it was as easy as voting for Labour meant no poverty, no hunger, no unemployment, no one on welfare, no one waiting for treatment, no one homeless etc etc.

All of the above would still be visible in our society and worse still, when the bill has to be picked up from a frankly reckless spending plan they will get worse.

A Venezuela model might sound great but when you look at Venezuela the reality of just how shit it is is rammed home.

Corbyn and McDonnell saying they care doesnt wash either when the above affects you as neither of those two will ever have to face the harsh realities of what their policies and ideology mean for millions.

Harsh truth is fuck all of note will change for the vast majority of us until such a time we all wake up and demand a change to the way our votes count.

Why do you right wingers always pick Venezuela is that the only socialist country that you know ?

You need to get out more because Portugal, Spain and Denmark all have socialist leaders. France is spending much more than we are on public services and Germany has bigger share than public ownership than we do.

Its like me saying if you vote Johnson he is going to bring us Saudia Arabian style rule!!

 

[mat]

Quick question, anyone know if we're still having the Festival of Brexit?

National holiday holiday if Tories win.

The national Meal on that will consist of Roast Gammon and overboiled potatoes. With Hard Cheese and Sour grapes for desert as a tribute to the remoaners.

 

[Mike D]

The vitriol at Corbyn simed by a couple of posters on here reminds me of the boy at school who fancied a girl and would rather slag her off than admit their true feelings.

It's nothing to be ashamed of chaps. Be honest with yourselves as you see something positive in you wish you had.

It's just the way some folk are and if the right wing media says it true then who are they too argue the Sun, Mail and Express are the great pillars of our society bastiens of the truth.

 

[Metal Biker]

Both Tory and Labour are a catastrophe of biblical proportions in waiting. That is a fact they are both infested with serial liars and fools.

Meanwhile millions argue which is better....here is the answer. Neither of them. Which ever is in No10 at Xmas will do nothing more than take the country to unimaginable depths. I wont endorse that and am astonished so many will vote for these fools, thus we will get exactly what we deserve and its not going to be good.

I've wanted this option for years. "Spoiling ballots" just doesn't cut it.

 

[mat]

Why do you right wingers always pick Venezuela is that the only socialist country that you know ?

You need to get out more because Portugal, Spain and Denmark all have socialist leaders. France is spending much more than we are on public services and Germany has bigger share than public ownership than we do.

Its like me saying if you vote Johnson he is going to bring us Saudia Arabian style rule!!

People seem to forget that Portugal is a socialist country. Their economy isn't too shabby either.

 

[mat]

It's just the way some folk are and if the right wing media says it true then who are they too argue the Sun, Mail and Express are the great pillars of our society bastiens of the truth.

Those papers all owned by working class people whom have no axe to grind.