General Election - December 12th, 2019

[Banned Tosspot]

Neither do fairies at the bottom of the garden, but that doesn't stop you fucking around with them.

Merry Christmas x

 

[Bigga]

Because the non posters don’t matter when looking at the forum and deciding if it’s a right wing cesspit (or not).

If people are not posting politically then they’re not part of the forum political zeitgeist are they?

That’s my point.

I understand that, but it doesn't necessarily reflect the true position of the moral position of the members, only because they may be lurkers with an opinion and not want to share it just now/ ever.

If 17m + voted leave and 16m+ voted stay and there's 18m+ uninvolved how would you say the country is right wing? You can't because the sample is pretty split.

Posting or voting in percentages is just that without clear extrapolation.

That's just how I see it.

I can certainly see how data/ polls get things wrong if the sample size is inadequate!

Not getting into an argument as I just can't see how to judge without better involvement by members.

 

[BlueAnorak]

There is a third (and not mutually exclusive from the others) way; namely developing technology in order that we can remove it mechanically from the atmosphere in huge quantities. Reverse the increase over a steady period. It’s got to be within the wit of man, surely?

I don’t see how designing a giant osmosis plant and positioning them around the globe would be that difficult, just thinking aloud

It's possible, but the cost of extracting 1 tonne of CO2 from the atmosphere is the killer, it has to be under $100 (currently £76.30) to be feasible.

DAC (Direct Air Capture) is now possible, indeed, a company in British Columbia has produced a working prototype:


But their are downsides - especially as it violates the principles of the Green lobby:
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-envi...pture-air-to-fuels-carbon-dioxide-engineering

 

[Bigga]

I think it is largely a left-leaning forum. Certainly most polls on here suggest that anyway. Those on the right tend to dominate the political threads though, which distorts things a bit imo.

Well, see that's the point.

Posting and polling are two different things hence why I don't think you can assume where the board lies without a moral compass poll or whatever.

Anyway, a bit of thought provoking bants and all that!

 

[Mike D]

Boris Johnson has refused to rule out the prospect of a no-deal exit from the EU at the end of 2020, as he abruptly drew a press conference at the Nato meeting to an end.

The Independent challenged the prime minister to say whether it was possible that the UK would reach the end of its transition to Brexit in a year’s time without sealing a trade deal with either the EU or US.


But the PM dodged the question, instead saying he was going to wind up the press conference before launching into a tirade against Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party.

Looks like this time next year we will be No Deal Brexit if the polls are anything to go off can't wait!!

 

[BlueAnorak]

Boris Johnson has refused to rule out the prospect of a no-deal exit from the EU at the end of 2020, as he abruptly drew a press conference at the Nato meeting to an end.

The Independent challenged the prime minister to say whether it was possible that the UK would reach the end of its transition to Brexit in a year’s time without sealing a trade deal with either the EU or US.


But the PM dodged the question, instead saying he was going to wind up the press conference before launching into a tirade against Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party.

Looks like this time next year we will be No Deal Brexit if the polls are anything to go off can't wait!!

Dont believe it for a second.

 

[Mike D]

https://www.thelocal.dk/20151101/danish-pm-in-us-denmark-is-not-socialist

Yep read this all before mate and although not currently being a socialist ran country they have many socialist policies from previous socialist governments which was the point that I was making with some of the other countries in that list. There are elements of socialism in every country more than others you don't have to be a hyper inflation style Venezuala to have socialist values and policies.

 

[Metal Biker]

Yep read this all before mate and although not currently being a socialist ran country they have many socialist policies from previous socialist governments which was the point that I was making.

So don't lump them in with a post about "European Socialist" countries, when they explicitly and continuously state they aren't.

 

[Mike D]

Dont believe it for a second.

That he wouldn't no deal ? Because Johnson would have never lied before has he?

 

[Mike D]

So don't lump them in with a post about "European Socialist" countries, when they explicitly and continuously state they aren't.

They had been a socialist country in the past and still had many socialist policies would you like me to create a subsection list of countries that were socialist but still have many socialist policies in place?

 

[Metal Biker]

They had been a socialist country in the past and still had many socialist policies would you like me to create a subsection list of countries that were socialist but still have many socialist policies in place?

But they're not a "socialist" country in the sense you want it to mean.

I'd rather you didn't waste your time, no.

 

[Len Rum]

And regards "conning people", we will not take lectures from someone who supports the biggest con artist to enter politics in the last 50 years, one Jeremy Corbyn.

Chaos with Ed Miliband.
Now there's the con.

 

[hilts]

I think it is largely a left-leaning forum. Certainly most polls on here suggest that anyway. Those on the right tend to dominate the political threads though, which distorts things a bit imo.

We have had this before they absolutely don't, there are no shrinking violets on either side. The forum is more left leaning which isn’t a surprise given the team we support. The momentum/Corbyn lot and the I’m all right jacks are equally gobby and are not for conceding pretty much anything against their own side.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

Just about sums the situation up... When's the next G.E.

The New Statesman has published its election leader article and it has said that it cannot back any of the three main parties. It does come quite close to backing the Green party, saying it would like to see more Green MPs in parliament, although it won’t endorse the Greens because it says they are not in a position to govern.

The New Statesman is broadly on the left and in the past it has backed Labour. But it says it cannot do so because of Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership. It says:


Labour has rightly chipped away at the edifice of ‘capitalist realism’, the term the late cultural theorist Mark Fisher used to describe the sense that ‘not only is capitalism the only viable political and economic system… it is now impossible even to imagine a coherent alternative to it’.

But the essential judgement that must be made is on Mr Corbyn himself. His reluctance to apologise for the antisemitism in Labour and to take a stance on Brexit, the biggest issue facing the country, make him unfit to be prime minister.

 

[hilts]

Genuinely don't know how some people can literally spend all day arguing on the internet. That will never ever make sense to me.

Get out a bit more, lads.

I would imagine there are many a manager looking at a bluemooner,furiously working like a madman at their computer, thinking god were lucky to have him working here he never stops. Sucker:-)

 

[Skip Donoghue]

Just about sums the situation up... When's the next G.E.

The New Statesman has published its election leader article and it has said that it cannot back any of the three main parties. It does come quite close to backing the Green party, saying it would like to see more Green MPs in parliament, although it won’t endorse the Greens because it says they are not in a position to govern.

The New Statesman is broadly on the left and in the past it has backed Labour. But it says it cannot do so because of Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership. It says:


Labour has rightly chipped away at the edifice of ‘capitalist realism’, the term the late cultural theorist Mark Fisher used to describe the sense that ‘not only is capitalism the only viable political and economic system… it is now impossible even to imagine a coherent alternative to it’.

But the essential judgement that must be made is on Mr Corbyn himself. His reluctance to apologise for the antisemitism in Labour and to take a stance on Brexit, the biggest issue facing the country, make him unfit to be prime minister.

This is one election where there really should be a Brewsters Millions "none of the above" box that's where my cross would definately go,
The lot are the biggest bunch of useless, lying self serving fuckers I've ever seen and it sums up the state of politics for me, not fit for purpose,
a real shake up of the whole system is needed

 

[mcfc1632]

You do ever only seem to meet people (family, mates in the pub) who agree with you.

Ha - so you are calling me a liar??

Why not man up and just say that rather than dance around with insinuations?

Come on big boy - show some bottle and speak as you imply

 

[mcfc1632]

I think that you will find many find Johnson detestable too maybe not in your echo chamber but have a look around when he decides to go on walk about on elections (which he doesn't any more)

So are you denying what Trump has said and the existence of the trade talk documents ? Maybe Trump can tell us all again how he's not interested in NHS he's backing Johnson (but probably never met him ever before and doesn't know him)

But that is 100% missing the point of the post I made - so what was the point of it?

Just pure whataboutery - do you want to have another go and answer what I said in my post?

 

[mcfc1632]

So given the fact that the poll at the top very much shows that this forum is far more "lefty" than the general population (especially given the current polling info out there), is it safe to put to bed the idea that Bluemoon is 'right-wing'?

That was put to bed years ago

Some are honest about it and are on a crusade to purge all threads of anything that is not hard-left

Others seem to want to deny it and try to act more moderate - but the masks occasionally slips.

The real evidence is that people like myself and others who have been traditionally centre-left are treated as if we are far-right

In summary - anyone that denies that this forum is left biased are deluding themselves - either intentionally or not

 

[mcfc1632]

I think it is largely a left-leaning forum. Certainly most polls on here suggest that anyway. Those on the right tend to dominate the political threads though, which distorts things a bit imo.

That does not seem to work for me

It would only make sense if we have a Bluemoon specific definition of what Left - Centre - Right wing is which is different to normal views

I am from a Labour background - have certainly voted Labour more than any other party - I would consider myself Centre-Left - I would consider @blueinsa and quite a few others on here as centre-left - and only a very small number as clearly 'right-wing'

Would our posts be seen as Left, Centre or Right in your assessment?

The point I am making is that I believe that statement - IMO - is only credible if you are comparing from a personal POV - in this case yours - and anyone not as left as you - is Right.

It simply could not - again IMO - stand up against a comparison with normal measures