General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
Reports that John Longworth, Anunziata Rees-Mogg and two other Brexit Party MEPs are set to resign this morning and tell supporters to vote Conservative. Time to dig out my ‘Brexit Party = Tory Party = Brexit Party’ banner :)
 
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Chippy_boy said:
What I'm talking about is your constantly being in denial about facts which don't suit your narrative. You do it all the time, hence me suggesting you man up for a change.

This latest bollocks from you is just yet another example. The forum is plainly left-leaning. Everyone knows it is, because it's fucking obvious. Look at our club's history, location and the demographic of our core supporters. Look at the fucking poll at the top of the page.

But no, yet again you're in denial about reality.
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You're being a tool!

I simply said that without a proper poll 'leaning' doesn't mean anything without the input of all members. 'Left leaning' is based upon what? Hating racism and homelessness, but still supporting austerity? That'll like you, right? So what compass does that land on to everyone else about you? You have people born in Manc, been Blue all their lives and love the Tories. Demographic means fook all sometimes when it comes to certain opinion polls.

Don't be tool and base your opinions upon a poll a few hundred have taken the time to bother posting on.

I don't take things for granted like you.
 
BlueAnorak said:
You'll be suprised to know that I think it's bollox, but hey, each to their own...
Give Boris a majority, return the UK to being a democracy that works, where Loser's Consent is not withdrawn.
Also let's be Corbyn Free by Christmas. He's a total cumt that will destroy this country if given half a chance.
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The Tories have managed to destroy it already. Boris would just be there to out the final nail in our coffin, the lying fat **** that he is. Did you read his comments about working class men? Well u less you're middle class or above he thinks you're a ****.
 
Don't know if anyone caught the latest McDonnell pack of lies on the radio around lunchtime yesterday? Radio 4 I think it probably was - I was driving and listened to a bit of it before throwing things at the radio.

His latest pack of lies is the "every household will be £7,000 a year better off". My GOD he must think voters are thick, because he actually tried to defend it. Notwithstanding the BBC analyst pulling it to pieces.

So let's add up this £7,000 for every household shall we. The lying **** says:

£2,000 saved on a pair of rail season tickets. Only most people don't have season tickets. And anyway the savings would be paid for by increased road tax on the cars that most people do have.
£2,941 saved on childcare. Only most households don't have children of an eligible age

So that's £5,000 of his promised £7,000 that for most people does not actually exist. For more people than not, the above is simply a tax increase.

Then we have £559 on energy bills, which anyone who already has an insulated home with double glazing, won't be seeing either. And a variety of other fantasy policies.

Robert Colvile, the director of the think-tank Centre for Policy Studies, tweeted: "Even by the standards of modern politics, it is impossible to stress how bloody shoddy these numbers are and how quickly they fall apart."

Tom Hamilton wrote: “Anyone who tells you Labour will put £6,717 in your pocket is lying to you, it’s as simple as that”.

The reality is, Labour will push up interest rates (100% inevitable and unavoidable) and therefore significantly increase mortgages, rents and credit card bills. Making pretty much *everyone* much worse off. We all know this, only people like @Bigga are simply in denial about it.

@Vic: Are you going to start referring McDonnell as "Liar McDonnell", in keeping with how you like to refer to Boris?
 
BobKowalski said:
Reports that John Longworth, Anunziata Rees-Mogg and two other Brexit Party MEPs are set to resign this morning and tell supporters to vote Conservative. Time to dig out my ‘Brexit Party = Tory Party = Brexit Party’ banner :)
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Stuff that. You want a banner that says "only the Brexit party really wants Brexit".
 
Chippy_boy said:
Don't know if anyone caught the latest McDonnell pack of lies on the radio around lunchtime yesterday? Radio 4 I think it probably was - I was driving and listened to a bit of it before throwing things at the radio.

His latest pack of lies is the "every household will be £7,000 a year better off". My GOD he must think voters are thick, because he actually tried to defend it. Notwithstanding the BBC analyst pulling it to pieces.

So let's add up this £7,000 for every household shall we. The lying **** says:

£2,000 saved on a pair of rail season tickets. Only most people don't have season tickets. And anyway the savings would be paid for by increased road tax on the cars that most people do have.
£2,941 saved on childcare. Only most households don't have children of an eligible age

So that's £5,000 of his promised £7,000 that for most people does not actually exist. For more people than not, the above is simply a tax increase.

Then we have £559 on energy bills, which anyone who already has an insulated home with double glazing, won't be seeing either. And a variety of other fantasy policies.

Robert Colvile, the director of the think-tank Centre for Policy Studies, tweeted: "Even by the standards of modern politics, it is impossible to stress how bloody shoddy these numbers are and how quickly they fall apart."

Tom Hamilton wrote: “Anyone who tells you Labour will put £6,717 in your pocket is lying to you, it’s as simple as that”.

The reality is, Labour will push up interest rates (100% inevitable and unavoidable) and therefore significantly increase mortgages, rents and credit card bills. Making pretty much *everyone* much worse off. We all know this, only people like @Bigga are simply in denial about it.

@Vic: Are you going to start referring McDonnell as "Liar McDonnell", in keeping with how you like to refer to Boris?
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That's McDonnell for you though.
 
Vic said:
You're misquoting.
The question posed was "whether the Labour Party is a party of social reform aiming simply to ameliorate our existing capitalist society, or a reformist party that seeks to replace capitalism by incremental social reform, or a transformative, some would say revolutionary party, aiming at the radical replacement of the existing economic and social system".

His conclusion? "The history of Labour holds open the possibility that the party could move beyond social reform and become a genuinely transformative party once again. A party leadership under Jeremy Corbyn, and a mass membership shaped by the experience of the economic crash, the years of grinding austerity, and its resultant inequality and injustices, are taking their place in the history of the party." That's rather more circumspect. Anyway, if people voted for "transformative" policies, what's the problem? Do things not need transforming?
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I think he's made it abundantly clear where he lies on that spectrum.
 
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Chippy_boy said:
Don't know if anyone caught the latest McDonnell pack of lies on the radio around lunchtime yesterday? Radio 4 I think it probably was - I was driving and listened to a bit of it before throwing things at the radio.

His latest pack of lies is the "every household will be £7,000 a year better off". My GOD he must think voters are thick, because he actually tried to defend it. Notwithstanding the BBC analyst pulling it to pieces.

So let's add up this £7,000 for every household shall we. The lying **** says:

£2,000 saved on a pair of rail season tickets. Only most people don't have season tickets. And anyway the savings would be paid for by increased road tax on the cars that most people do have.
£2,941 saved on childcare. Only most households don't have children of an eligible age

So that's £5,000 of his promised £7,000 that for most people does not actually exist. For more people than not, the above is simply a tax increase.

Then we have £559 on energy bills, which anyone who already has an insulated home with double glazing, won't be seeing either. And a variety of other fantasy policies.

Robert Colvile, the director of the think-tank Centre for Policy Studies, tweeted: "Even by the standards of modern politics, it is impossible to stress how bloody shoddy these numbers are and how quickly they fall apart."

Tom Hamilton wrote: “Anyone who tells you Labour will put £6,717 in your pocket is lying to you, it’s as simple as that”.

The reality is, Labour will push up interest rates (100% inevitable and unavoidable) and therefore significantly increase mortgages, rents and credit card bills. Making pretty much *everyone* much worse off. We all know this, only people like @Bigga are simply in denial about it.

@Vic: Are you going to start referring McDonnell as "Liar McDonnell", in keeping with how you like to refer to Boris?
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And does McDonnell lying make Johnson lying any more acceptable? Or Javid lying through his teeth this morning? No.

If the level of debate on either or both sides is just how much you can lie and how big is your lie and if you are a supporter of your side doing it then you are just endorsing a system that encourages and rewards lying. And then you will complain all politicians are dishonest.
 
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