General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Please send me the number of your supplier ..... I am in need of some quality pharmaceuticals
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So let's have your best critique then genius. Why will interest rates *not* go up if Labour get in? If you think I am mistaken then surely that is based upon some understanding you have. So let's hear it before your pills kick in.

Explain to us carefully and slowly (we are not too sharp us Tories) how Labour can spend and borrow on such an enormous scale without interest rates budging at all.
 
Chippy_boy said:
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Oh dear. Still behind the sofa with hands clapped over ears and singing ‘la, la, la’ very loudly. Is there an intervention program round your way? Or maybe a number you can ring?
 
Chippy_boy said:
Of course you will. The reality is the unless you are on minimum wage and benefits, you'll be worse off under Labour. Your rent or mortgage will be higher, prices in the shops will be higher and there will be more people out of work.

Bizarrely there are still some people who vote for this. Although reading the er "deep" understanding from many on here, perhaps it's not that surprising.
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For some people, being worse off or better off isn't just about how much money you do or don't get taxed.
 
BobKowalski said:
Oh dear. Still behind the sofa with hands clapped over ears and singing ‘la, la, la’ very loudly. Is there an intervention program round your way? Or maybe a number you can ring?
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Funnily enough Bob, I really don't need to. I have accepted the referendum result and moved on. It is you sitting behind the sofa hoping the whole thing will go away. Well it isn't. Get over it FFS.
 
joe123 said:
For some people, being worse off or better off isn't just about how much money you do or don't get taxed.
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Very noble of them. Shame Labour doesn't feel able to campaign on that basis eh.

"You'll all be worse off but our public services will be better" would have been the basis for a fair and decent campaign, which unfortunately most people would not vote for. So lying and bullshitting is Labour's preferred option.

Labour's problem is that most people are not so stupid as to believe that better public services can all be free. They get it. And they know Labour are bullshitting. If that was not the case, doubtless Labour would be +10 points in the polls, not -10 points.
 
Chippy_boy said:
He must be knackered the poor bloke, spending 24x7 scouring the internet for random snippets on how terrible Brexit will be, and then posting them here for no-one to take a blind bit of notice of them.
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Fauxwalski's integrity was shot months back. He's clearly longing for some attention.
 
BobKowalski said:
From a former advisor to HM Treasury...

‘If the Tories win, HMT is going to have a real job managing expectations ahead of Budget. By historic standards there is v little headroom against the new fiscal rules: 5b a year against c700b current spending. Hammond left office with 27b of headroom against his deficit target. This could easily be wiped out if the OBR downgrade their forcecast for the economy/public finances. HMT will therefore want to build up a much bigger buffer to guard against future forecast moves / unexpected spending pressures. That means raising some tax at some point.

Even the manifesto raised more tax than it cut, but they will prob have to go further. And all political logic points to doing it in the first Budget of a new parl: get the politically difficult stuff done while MP discipline remains high and next GE is still a long way off...This is going to be an ongoing problem for the Tories: long-term pressures from ageing / healthcare / decarb means direction of travel is for tax rises, not cuts. Suspect the tax-cutting part of the party is not going to enjoy the 2020s’
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You do know nobody knows what will happen post Brexit Bob?
 
Chippy_boy said:
Very noble of them. Shame Labour doesn't feel able to campaign on that basis eh.

"You'll all be worse off but our public services will be better" would have been the basis for a fair and decent campaign, which unfortunately most people would not vote for. So lying and bullshitting is Labour's preferred option.

Labour's problem is that most people are not so stupid as to believe that better public services can all be free. They get it. And they know Labour are bullshitting. If that was not the case, doubtless Labour would be +10 points in the polls, not -10 points.
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I'm not too sure about that. Not everyone is that selfish that they're averse to paying a bit more for more investment in public services. Myself for example, would be just out of the top tax bracket if the tories raise it to 80, but I'd be far happier taking home a bit less and seeing proper investment.
 
George Hannah said:
You do know nobody knows what will happen post Brexit Bob?
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He isn’t talking about post Brexit. He is talking about the fiscal room post election and in the next budget all of which will take place before Brexit as well as the long term pressures that an aging population will put on social and health care costs in the next decade. Brexit is just the extra dog shit whipple surprise on top.

Also as an aside we do seem to be remarkably well informed about what will happen if Labour were to be elected so think we can drop the ‘nobody knows’ crap :)
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
The Poke isn't "the media". It is a section of the media, one which deals in satire. This particluar satirical aspect caters to your own bias, one which portrays Johnson as a selfish, uncaring individual, which is why you support it and spread it. Some people have this perception of Boris, The Poke have latched onto it.

It is not, as you claim, "proof". It is no different to those portraying Corbyn in an antisemitic/extreme Marxist light, as "proof" of him being an anti-semite/extreme Marxist. It's a bit of fun, stop treating them as "examples" of anything. They aren't.
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I picked the poke tweet as I think they are one of the best satirists on twatter. I could have chosen some more weighter political commentators on either side who have quoted the same pic.

Johnson is shit scared of any scrutiny and cuddly interviews like the one on
This Morning prove that. Schofield had his orders to throw softballs at him. A very different interview to the constant "Will you apologise?" mantra thrown at Corbyn.
 
joe123 said:
I'm not too sure about that. Not everyone is that selfish that they're averse to paying a bit more for more investment in public services. Myself for example, would be just out of the top tax bracket if the tories raise it to 80, but I'd be far happier taking home a bit less and seeing proper investment.
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I suspect there are many people like you but unfortunately not enough to secure a Labour victory. We'll never know though, since they never tell the truth about it. The Libdems are to be admired IMO for telling everyone they would put 1p on income tax to raise £7bn extra for public services. I'd be happy to pay that, buy unfortunately a vote for the Libdems is effectively a vote for the Marxists.
 
Bigga said:
Proof that you don't understand the differences of allowing business enterprise to flow whilst inputting more into society and not.

You're a disingenuous fool.
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Let's be honest here Biggs, you got confused the other day on the subject of Corporation Tax stating that it was based on turnover rather than profit so the subject of business isn't really your specialist one.

Having said that, can't really blame you for getting confused because Labour did too.
 
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