General Election - December 12th, 2019

[kevin horlocks wand]

Tell that to the employees of Stobarts ...... waiting on a announcement this afternoon

what the fuck has that got to do with my post.

stobbarts has been the centre of an ego battle by its owners for years and years.

 

[Chippy_boy]

No one in their right mind is voting for Johnson; especially when we can have all this.


4 day working week.
cheap railway tickets.
free education.
free international health service.
billions of trees planted.
billions of homes built where the trees aren't planted.
no more guilt of British Empire because everyone will be paid off.
Diane Abbott protecting the UK.

What could *possibly* go wrong?

 

[BobKowalski]

With the fastest growing middle class on the planet spending the fruits of their labour.
This replaced profit they are responsible for appears to be spent on Foreign holidays, cars and consumer goods imported
into China. A bit capitalisty, really. Although they also have high levels of abject poverty, a bit like Venezuela, which really is
socialist.

The clue is in the term ‘State Capitalism’ with the State being the dominant force and profit not being the sole driving factor. Socialism is defined as the state controlling production, distribution and exchange for the benefit of the community as a whole. Replace ‘community’ with ‘State’ and you get China which has adapted that model and also ‘weaponised’ big state companies ie Telecoms with its footprint in Africa and elsewhere. See also the current debate raging over the security implications of Huawei which is a private company but also an arm of the State.

So how much of China is Socialism and how much is capitalism? It’s not a free market economy and its version of ‘capitalism’ is regarded as distorting the playing field as many private firms are propped up by the State for strategic reasons. Capitalism and Socialism come in different forms and are influenced as much by the political stability and culture of the country concerned. Venezuela is an example of this. Kansas in the US tried and failed with its pure capitalism model by reducing all taxes and relying on business growth to fuel its budget. It failed. Do we then rubbish capitalism as a model for evermore? No. Same with socialism. You can adapt it, use it, as you can with a capitalism model and produce a system that works or is a hybrid of both which in reality is what the U.K. and most countries are.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

what the fuck has that got to do with my post.

stobbarts has been the centre of an ego battle by its owners for years and years.

La la la la la la la la la la Nothing to do with Brexit or the announcement that the Conservatives have lied again and that there will be customs checks( and associated costs) between Northern Ireland, the Eu and Britain la la la la la la la la la la

(Fingers in your ears as you repeat this )

 

[bluethrunthru]

Johnson stood in front of a big banner with the slogan " lets get Britain out of neutral " and there is a gearstick next to that in neutral...............he does know who has been in power coasting along in neutral since 2010 isn't he?

 

[Vic]

None.

legislation says maternity pay and minimum wage is paid.

Its yet more free stuff promised by labour and some just want the free stuff, despite it being at a cost to others.

"Its someone rich paying so who cares"?

That legislation for maternity leave would be Labour's Employment Protection Act 1975, opposed by the Tories because it "makes no attempt to establish a fair balance between the rights of management and unions, adds a heavy burden of cost without proper consideration of how it should be shared by employer, employee and State, and takes no account of the particular problems of small businesses".

Plus ca change...

 

[NeilYoungIsBack]

No one in their right mind is voting for Johnson; especially when we can have all this.


4 day working week.
cheap railway tickets.
free education.
free international health service.
billions of trees planted.
billions of homes built where the trees aren't planted.
no more guilt of British Empire because everyone will be paid off.
Diane Abbott protecting the UK.

+ free broadband, don't forget that one

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

La la la la la la la la la la Nothing to do with Brexit or the announcement that the Conservatives have lied again and that there will be customs checks( and associated costs) between Northern Ireland, the Eu and Britain la la la la la la la la la la

(Fingers in your ears as you repeat this )

no

 

[smudgedj]

What could *possibly* go wrong?

Nothing.

Corbyn's is a new kinder socialism that's never been tried before.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

You can adapt it, use it, as you can with a capitalism model and produce a system that works or is a hybrid of both which in reality is what the U.K. and most countries are.

Yes, for once I agree, yet this hybrid has to be weighted in favour of business, in order to supply the services needed.
The original point was that socialism, used without any freemarket influence, produces chaos, yet some won't see it.

 

[Vic]

Hardly sensitive. It’s about custom checks between NI and GB. The WA puts NI under a different customs regime then the rest of GB meaning there will be a Customs border down the Irish Sea which means customs checks on internal U.K. trade. The only sensitive bit was Johnson lying that this would happen. This will obviously have a negative effect on internal U.K. trade. In other news water is wet.

Johnson lying is hardly an official secret.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Johnson lying is hardly an official secret.

Your incessant repetition may change a few minds, keep it up, we're almost there.

 

[west didsblue]

Leaked docs also references the constitutional threat that Johnson’s ‘Victory over the EU’ brings. Not that Brexiteers give a shit about NI or our Union. That was made clear long ago.

I wonder if any of the Brexiteers going to tell us that HMT is spouting bollocks, are being disingenuous or are twisting facts like they do when people post exactly the same thing on here.
Are they going to accept the "inconvenient truth"?

 

[Vic]

Leaked docs also references the constitutional threat that Johnson’s ‘Victory over the EU’ brings. Not that Brexiteers give a shit about NI or our Union. That was made clear long ago.

You forgot Hennng Wehn's congratulations on fulfilling Bismark's aim of isolating Britain.

 

[Vic]

Seriously, what the fuck are you on about? Where have I mentioned Brexit???

FWIW, I wish we weren't leaving the EU, but I think it's inevitable.

You said what happens to the economy affects the optimal level of CT.

Brexit happened to the economy.

 

[Cheesy]

You said what happens to the economy affects the optimal level of CT.

Brexit happened to the economy.

You accused me of calling Remainers thick.

 

[Vic]

Johnson stood in front of a big banner with the slogan " lets get Britain out of neutral " and there is a gearstick next to that in neutral...............he does know who has been in power coasting along in neutral since 2010 isn't he?

On the day Stobarts crash out of gear?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Nothing.

Corbyn's is a new kinder socialism that's never been tried before.

The hilarious thing is you got a like from IfIwasonly... for this ;-)

 

[inbetween]

The clue is in the term ‘State Capitalism’ with the State being the dominant force and profit not being the sole driving factor. Socialism is defined as the state controlling production, distribution and exchange for the benefit of the community as a whole. Replace ‘community’ with ‘State’ and you get China which has adapted that model and also ‘weaponised’ big state companies ie Telecoms with its footprint in Africa and elsewhere. See also the current debate raging over the security implications of Huawei which is a private company but also an arm of the State.

So how much of China is Socialism and how much is capitalism? It’s not a free market economy and its version of ‘capitalism’ is regarded as distorting the playing field as many private firms are propped up by the State for strategic reasons. Capitalism and Socialism come in different forms and are influenced as much by the political stability and culture of the country concerned. Venezuela is an example of this. Kansas in the US tried and failed with its pure capitalism model by reducing all taxes and relying on business growth to fuel its budget. It failed. Do we then rubbish capitalism as a model for evermore? No. Same with socialism. You can adapt it, use it, as you can with a capitalism model and produce a system that works or is a hybrid of both which in reality is what the U.K. and most countries are.

You do know that China has a far worse inequality index than the UK?

Inequality in China is virtually the same as the great enemy which is US capitalism........

Have you also seen Hong Kong recently? People are quite literally fighting in the streets to avoid the forced implementation of Beijings wishes.

Clearly socialism or communism does not achieve what you think it will achieve.

 

[Ban-jani]

SNP car crash interview on Politics Live.