Bring the Noise

Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
I think we were fucked over by the TV shysters and the FArce, if I' not mistaken, who refused to move the tie to accommodate a CL game in the next week. Would have been moved for Dippers and Rags, no doubt!
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The Champions league game was on the Wednesday in the Ukraine. Pelligrini objected to FA cup game being moved to the Sunday because of the travelling time to Eastern Europe and lack of preparation time left before the game. Which is fine and I understood his objections. What was shit was the way he handled the game. He picked 5 or 6 young lads to play and then proceeded to give them no guidance from the sidelines. He left them to get turned over by a strong Chelsea team while he sat on the bench sulking. Guardiola would never do that. Look at how Guardiola approached the pre season tour after the world Cup when he hardly had a first team player to pick from. And that was only friendlies
 
jrb said:
This reply isn’t aimed at you in particular. It’s that bold and underlined bit.

We asked for a larger singing section. We got block 115. The majority of fans in 115 don’t sing.
1894 have been given up to 50 seats at the front of 115 for CL games. The fans don’t fill those seats.
1894 have been given 3 back rows in the away block in SSL1 for the FA Cup games against Port Vale, we’re struggling to fill those seats.
The fans aren’t interested. If they were, all those seats for those different games would be full of City fans desperate to sing, to create an atmosphere, and to support the team.
Do you honestly think anything would change if safe standing was brought in and City set a block aside for a new (1894) singing section?
The same scenario would play out again. It would be full of singers and non singers, just like 115 became and still is.
How many more times are 1894 going to go to the club and ask the club to set aside x amount of seats knowing they won’t get filled because City fans can’t be arsed relocating for 1 match.
What must the club keep on thinking? Apart from not looking good on 1894, even though the club know how committed the 1894 lads are, they must have come to the conclusion by now that there is little or no appetite from the fans to create a proper and lasting singing section and an atmosphere at the Etihad..
That’s right. We can forget a megaphone. We can forget a drum. We can forget flags. We can forget banners. We can forget surfers. We can forget about relocating to a singing section for 1 game. We can forget anything and everything that might improve the atmosphere at the Etihad. Why? Because there's no point. There you go, I’ve posted it. City fans aren’t arsed. They don’t like change. They don’t like initiatives. They don’t like ideas to be trialed. They just like complaining, moaning, taking the piss, being abusive, and keeping things exactly as they are, even though they clearly aren’t working. As a set of fans, and as a fan base, we’re old, getting older, we’re tired, we’re stuck in our ways, and we’re boring. Know doubt I will have pissed a few of you off. I’m not going to apologise because it’s the truth.

Merry Christmas in advance.
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Nowt wrong with what you said, don’t see how it would piss anyone off.

If a stand was set aside for us rather than a few blocks next to the away fans, I know about ten lads who’d move and a few more who’ve given up their seasoncards who’d come back.

Imagine if we all knew a dozen lads who’d move to a stand of our own...

It has to be worth moving for, long term/forever, not one-off games, if people are in good seats already. A little effort of a block next to away fans is not worth moving for.

That is a bit of many fans being stuck in their ways but also being happy where they are currently and enjoy where they are currently so it would have to be something really worth it to shift us all.

Where I sit now I’m around 6-10 lads who all sing in a non-singing area, and we have one of the best views in the ground and therefore world football. We like it where we are. And I think lads like us are important for carrying the sound made from the singing section around the rest of the ground.

Some of my mates are in 115 and have been in SSL1 since we moved there. A few times a few more of my group have moved to be with them. A few more of us have been asked by them to join them well before these individual games to create a larger singing block and we’ve just said “not yet, I’m going to wait until we ever get a proper stand, I’m happy where I am”.
 
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Just an observation don’t think Pep was moaning at us about the atmosphere at all. Just seen the game back and after we put pressure on the goalkeeper, he kicks it out for a throw in.

Pep applauds with his hands in the air then tells us to get louder.

Think he was happy with it tbh!
 
Squidward said:
Bang on.

Younger supporters will be attracted to a more hardcore group and swell numbers. In my experience younger lads love to feel part of a movement. You hear folk talking about stewards telling them to sit down and shut up. You bet they wouldn’t dare say that to a larger group of “hardcore supporters” if you can put it that way. It doesn’t need to be a full on Ultras section with drums, megaphone etc but the Ultras mentality is needed.
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This is a good point to a great post.

I think improving things in the ground is a lost cause as JRB said, if the atmosphere is ever going to improve at the Etihad, it will be down to the next generation.

Therefore, does the 1894 group need a "re-brand" and a new direction? Why waste time organising displays and designated sections for the first team that city fans are just not arsed about? We have a stadium that has terracing behind both goals across the road. If kids like being part of a movement, why not be part of that movement for the EDS that can be transferred to the main stadium for home cup games? Schedule the EDS games to be on the weekends, create and build a movement that city fans between 12-18 can experience that they are unable to do for the senior team and create a whole new fan culture at City.

The terracing holds 1000, i would bet that ten times that amount at the very least in Greater Manchester and beyond would love to get involved on a weekend making flags, creating songs and singing with fellow peers about the team they love with serious organising from a fans group and the club itself. It's surely better than being anti-social or playing City on the playstation? It would be a slow process, i would imagine heavily influenced by adults until the group formed a bond to accelerate on its own. Forget YouTube Kids app and all these other cheese fest induced ideas that the club come up with to "get the youth". Just give them a platform to express themselves and more importantly enjoy themselves. Add little perks like first team squad members watching the games from the terracing even for 20 min and singing along. Create an area even at the Etihad where these lads can go and congregate and hang out before these games, their own little youth club, where they can make the banners, come up with and try new songs etc. There's some 5 a-side courts near Joe Mercer Way, open them up and let them have a kick about.

If the above was to happen, when we play the early rounds of cup games or the champions league games, we have a ready made group of 1000 young energetic fans who will rock the place inside. Imagine these young lads singing week in and week out and making banners/flags for Phil Foden for the EDS and then singing his name watching the first team, there is that bond that will be unbreakable as he will truly be one of their own. We would be creating a conveyor belt off the pitch as well as on it and completely changing the dynamics of our support.

The club could put on free coaches for them to travel to places like Bradford, Rotherham, Lincoln etc in the Checkatrade Trophy, which will give them an experience of going on an away day.

I know i would have loved to have been part of something like this when i was 13.
 
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Appreciate all the efforts everyone is making. I do think it can be improved but I think this rests with the club. They have to create a ‘home end’. Like when you bought a season ticket for the kippax you knew you were going into the ‘home end’ appreciate probably won’t happen until the North Stand extension. I think a lot are waiting for this then I think we see movement. Odd blocks and seats for individual games whilst a good effort will be seen as too much effort for some. Keep saying it nothing will improve until the club get a ‘home end’ sorted. But priorities do not seem to jive with this right now which is costing us. Get a home end built with cheaper tickets, get back some of the fans we lost due to cost, and get the place rocking.
 
Anyone thinking pep is out of order for complaining about our support at times..
Do your really think our support when we’re 1 or 2 behind is good??
He’s given us the best football the premier league has ever seen for 2 years and now he just wants some support
 
WNRH said:
This is a good point to a great post.

I think improving things in the ground is a lost cause as JRB said, if the atmosphere is ever going to improve at the Etihad, it will be down to the next generation.

Therefore, does the 1894 group need a "re-brand" and a new direction? Why waste time organising displays and designated sections for the first team that city fans are just not arsed about? We have a stadium that has terracing behind both goals across the road. If kids like being part of a movement, why not be part of that movement for the EDS that can be transferred to the main stadium for home cup games? Schedule the EDS games to be on the weekends, create and build a movement that city fans between 12-18 can experience that they are unable to do for the senior team and create a whole new fan culture at City.

The terracing holds 1000, i would bet that ten times that amount at the very least in Greater Manchester and beyond would love to get involved on a weekend making flags, creating songs and singing with fellow peers about the team they love with serious organising from a fans group and the club itself. It's surely better than being anti-social or playing City on the playstation? It would be a slow process, i would imagine heavily influenced by adults until the group formed a bond to accelerate on its own. Forget YouTube Kids app and all these other cheese fest induced ideas that the club come up with to "get the youth". Just give them a platform to express themselves and more importantly enjoy themselves. Add little perks like first team squad members watching the games from the terracing even for 20 min and singing along. Create an area even at the Etihad where these lads can go and congregate and hang out before these games, their own little youth club, where they can make the banners, come up with and try new songs etc. There's some 5 a-side courts near Joe Mercer Way, open them up and let them have a kick about.

If the above was to happen, when we play the early rounds of cup games or the champions league games, we have a ready made group of 1000 young energetic fans who will rock the place inside. Imagine these young lads singing week in and week out and making banners/flags for Phil Foden for the EDS and then singing his name watching the first team, there is that bond that will be unbreakable as he will truly be one of their own. We would be creating a conveyor belt off the pitch as well as on it and completely changing the dynamics of our support.


The club could put on free coaches for them to travel to places like Bradford, Rotherham, Lincoln etc in the Checkatrade Trophy, which will give them an experience of going on an away day.

I know i would have loved to have been part of something like this when i was 13.
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it is good when ideas like this are suggested, because a lot of fans don't realise that over the last 6 or 7 seasons we have tried all this. We have had meetings, planned things like you say with EDS games thinking "this is going to work". We try and it doesn't work, mainly gets little response. Like you say and same here, when I was 13 I would have been well up for that sort of game at EDS or coaches on low key cup games.

It is true 1,000 energetic young fans would get it rocking, but they don't show up. The club have in the passed organised in cup games small blocks for young fans with tickets for £1 and a free scarf. It gets good response but nothing happens or repeats.

the things you suggested that we haven't tried are really things that only the club can do because of funding / website advertising / hours of labour put in to it. Often fans say try this or that, but the 1894 organisers are a small group of fans that give up their spare time ( we all have full time jobs ). For the hours we volunteer as it does get like a second job at times, we do a very lot, with all the games that there are these days and preparation for displays etc there literally are not enough hours in the day. Also it is funded off donations for flags / displays which we are overwhelmed by the generosity of fans. Also we sell merchandise to fund but it is a very tough out there as every street corner has a seller and the club gas several shops.

We often get offered help from people, but I think when they see how much time you end up putting in and inconvenience then they lose interest. I don't blame them one bit, peoples lives are busy and games come thick and fast.

We are revamping 115, got a few ideas but again we are limited. If it was up to us three blocks of lower SS would be safestand tomorrow, we have meetings with the club about it every season. It is getting there but still to much red tape.

So we kind of cant do anything else now, not that we are going to stop displays etc but as far as generating noise is concerned its down to the fans to get involved and back the singing sections / fans grouping. It is growing slowly, takes time.

I do like you post though, please come and meet up and have a chat some time.
 
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WNRH said:
This is a good point to a great post.

I think improving things in the ground is a lost cause as JRB said, if the atmosphere is ever going to improve at the Etihad, it will be down to the next generation.

Therefore, does the 1894 group need a "re-brand" and a new direction? Why waste time organising displays and designated sections for the first team that city fans are just not arsed about? We have a stadium that has terracing behind both goals across the road. If kids like being part of a movement, why not be part of that movement for the EDS that can be transferred to the main stadium for home cup games? Schedule the EDS games to be on the weekends, create and build a movement that city fans between 12-18 can experience that they are unable to do for the senior team and create a whole new fan culture at City.

The terracing holds 1000, i would bet that ten times that amount at the very least in Greater Manchester and beyond would love to get involved on a weekend making flags, creating songs and singing with fellow peers about the team they love with serious organising from a fans group and the club itself. It's surely better than being anti-social or playing City on the playstation? It would be a slow process, i would imagine heavily influenced by adults until the group formed a bond to accelerate on its own. Forget YouTube Kids app and all these other cheese fest induced ideas that the club come up with to "get the youth". Just give them a platform to express themselves and more importantly enjoy themselves. Add little perks like first team squad members watching the games from the terracing even for 20 min and singing along. Create an area even at the Etihad where these lads can go and congregate and hang out before these games, their own little youth club, where they can make the banners, come up with and try new songs etc. There's some 5 a-side courts near Joe Mercer Way, open them up and let them have a kick about.

If the above was to happen, when we play the early rounds of cup games or the champions league games, we have a ready made group of 1000 young energetic fans who will rock the place inside. Imagine these young lads singing week in and week out and making banners/flags for Phil Foden for the EDS and then singing his name watching the first team, there is that bond that will be unbreakable as he will truly be one of their own. We would be creating a conveyor belt off the pitch as well as on it and completely changing the dynamics of our support.

The club could put on free coaches for them to travel to places like Bradford, Rotherham, Lincoln etc in the Checkatrade Trophy, which will give them an experience of going on an away day.

I know i would have loved to have been part of something like this when i was 13.
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Nice thoughts but in the early-ish says of the mini ground it was almost impossible to 'stand' in a crowd, even if the ends were opened the Stewards seemed to work on a one yard between everyone system & then declare it full.

I don't know the answer but the cheese matchday experience will never help.

Slightly off topic, saw Shearer on the big screens going on about how wonderful VAR was last home game along with our presenters & Ferris all being pro VAR & sucking the enjoyment out of the game.
 
I know this isn’t really the a Chants page but how about this really simple.

To the tune of oasis morning glory

weeeeelllll whats the story city glory
Need a little time to wake up wake up
And just repeat
 
just a quick note on 'crowd noise' in general, songs last for a few minutes, seem always to be in a rush to be finished , chants also. The orchestrated continental stadium style does not look like ever being popular over here, drummers less popular than admission rises. The loudest recorded sports fans are in Seattle, at one time in the old Kingdome, the team was penalised for excessive crowd noise, but they dont have songs at all, just uproar, a bit like when we score a late winner. Cheering and booing are easy enough to join in and can be addictive/fun. Given the demographic at the Etihad (ageing crowd) the great work done by those who try their best to generate a better atmosphere might be limited, sadly. Hope not.
 
bellbuzzer said:
just a quick note on 'crowd noise' in general, songs last for a few minutes, seem always to be in a rush to be finished , chants also. The orchestrated continental stadium style does not look like ever being popular over here, drummers less popular than admission rises. The loudest recorded sports fans are in Seattle, at one time in the old Kingdome, the team was penalised for excessive crowd noise, but they dont have songs at all, just uproar, a bit like when we score a late winner. Cheering and booing are easy enough to join in and can be addictive/fun. Given the demographic at the Etihad (ageing crowd) the great work done by those who try their best to generate a better atmosphere might be limited, sadly. Hope not.
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No reason why we cant for the first 10 or 15 minutes boo like mad and whistle when the opposition have the ball, cheer like mad when we win a tackle. This would probably lift our team and unsettle opposition more than anything. Not seen this done at a good level much at all apart from Liverpool at home.

Also works well on away fans, when away fans try sing, boo and whistle again. I went to spurs away in the CL when they opened their new stadium, every time we tried to sing spurs fans whistled like mad, so the city fans gave up !!

Not hard for fans around the ground to boo or whistle, dam sight easier than singing. If we played a Turkish team away in the CL imagine the booing they would do, players go over there knowing its going to be hostile.
 
The rags gave out free tickets yesterday for “atmosphere testing”. That’s at home to Newcastle on Boxing Day. The state of football lol.
 
Watched the Leicester v Liverpool match last night.

Hard watch.

Just as hard is having to admit the Scousers have got some great and original new chants.

Gone are the days of just Liverpool, Liverpool and YNWA.

Winning cups and having a successful team has really spurred their support on to come up with new and original chants, not only for the club, but for the players. Just like it did when we started to become successful. Dzeko, De Jong, Yaya, etc.(the players below)

They’ve already made up a World Champions chant. Which TBF is a bit naff. But it bangs home the point.

They’ve even got a chant for sach for their full backs. Have we got a chant for any of our full backs?

Like United, Liverpool seem to be pretty well organised when it comes to making up new chants. Do they have a group that comes up with chants and brings them on to the KOP or to their Boss nights? People might say that’s contrived, like Boyle at the Bishop’s Blaize for United, but once a chant catches on, regardless of where it’s started, that’s all that matters.

In comparison we’re still waiting for the odd gem to be sung on an away concourse. Apart from that we’re stuck with our old and usual chants, which are slowly disappearing as our successful players and teams come to the end of their time at City. Kompany, Zab, D.Silva, Fern, Sergio, etc.

On a plus note, neither United nor Liverpool fans have a better chant for Ole or Klopp than we have for Pep.

But we need to start coming up with new chants. We can’t keep on relying on old (player) chants that are no longer relevant to the current team.
 
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trevorriley said:
you are going to get some flack for that I guess Jrb, but well said. Some of the things might sound a bit harsh but cant beat passion for wanting a good atmosphere.

If we took note and listened to a few things in that post, plus as "racecar" said club needs to do more ( but I mean club from the very top not the good guys 1894 speak to ) then we will make more noise.

Squidward knows the score to, good post there also.

merry xmas to you to jrb, enjoy your mince pie and sherry !
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You know more than anyone else, Trev.

You know who and where the obstacles are at City. :-(

Unfortunately they are stuck in their ways with more pressing priorities than the atmosphere at the Etihad.

Pulling the NS derby display really did me. After that and the night itself, I’m pretty much done. I will always help out, support 1894, and be there, but I don’t feel as committed as I used to be because I’m not seeing that kind of commitment from the people running the club.

UntilI I see that commitment, concrete moves and assurances from those at the top of club, I honestly don’t believe they want what the good guys at City and the fans want.

Hope you had a great Christmas? See you at the back of 115 on Sunday.
 
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Just on the way back from wolves. They were quiet for a bit but it makes a massive fucking difference having a whole stand together who sing. City need to sort it out
 
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