Another new Brexit thread

[Metal Biker]

Great, I’ll let them know some bloke on a football forum says they have to let me move there.

Didn't say that at all, but again, if it makes you feel better.

 

[west didsblue]

Didn't say that at all, but again, if it makes you feel better.

Yes you did.

 

[blueparrot]

You haven't but, if it makes you feel better...

Ironically it was also one you'd have "lost" had Scotland left the UK and thus the EU, but there we go.

I haven’t lost the right but would also have lost if Scotland had left the UK, contradicting yourself there. You are right though that’s precisely why I voted not to leave the UK and thus the EU at the time.I was assured it was the only way to keep my FOM, I fell for it.

 

[Metal Biker]

I haven’t lost the right but would also have lost if Scotland had left the UK, contradicting yourself there. You are right though that’s precisely why I voted not to leave the UK and thus the EU at the time.I was assured it was the only way to keep my FOM, I fell for it.

Sounds like you love the EU more than the UK.
Perfectly fine position to have, but don't be surprised that there are others also in Scotland who don't share the same view.

 

[Ban-jani]

Today I can just move to Spain and live there . Next year I probably can’t Somebody is stopping me that can’t stop me now, no matter how often you tell me nobody is stopping me.Its a freedom I’ve lost and so have my children.

People live and work in other countries all around the world. I have an abundance of friends, former colleagues and peers that have settled in North America, New Zealand and Australia.

Sure it will be harder, but I cannot see the Spanish turning permanent tourists down.

 

[blueparrot]

People live and work in other countries all around the world. I have an abundance of friends, former colleagues and peers that have settled in North America, New Zealand and Australia.

Sure it will be harder, but I cannot see the Spanish turning permanent tourists down.

We’ll have to wait and see what the deal is and requirements. I expect it will be easier than America and Australia. I have no issue with anyone thinking losing FOM is worth it, I don’t agree but its a valid opinion. The whole debate with MB was him insisting when we have lost FOM our right to just up sticks and move to the EU were unchanged and nobody could stop us moving and settling in the EU.

 

[Metal Biker]

We’ll have to wait and see what the deal is and requirements. I expect it will be easier than America and Australia. I have no issue with anyone thinking losing FOM is worth it, I don’t agree but its a valid opinion. The whole debate with MB was him insisting when we have lost FOM our right to just up sticks and move to the EU were unchanged and nobody could stop us moving and settling in the EU.

I wasn't saying that at all.

I was saying "nobody is stopping you from leaving to live in the EU in the UK". You want to leave, nobody's stopping you. Get it now.

 

[west didsblue]

I wasn't saying that at all.

I was saying "nobody is stopping you from leaving to live in the EU in the UK". You want to leave, nobody's stopping you. Get it now.

No you weren’t. You said that no-one was stopping you full stop. Saying that no-one in the UK can stop you is just stating the bleeding obvious and goes without saying. The same is true of nearly every country in the world.

 

[blueparrot]

I wasn't saying that at all.

I was saying "nobody is stopping you from leaving to live in the EU in the UK". You want to leave, nobody's stopping you. Get it now.

As usual you're changing what you were originally arguing and blaming others for you being wrong.

 

[Ban-jani]

We’ll have to wait and see what the deal is and requirements. I expect it will be easier than America and Australia. I have no issue with anyone thinking losing FOM is worth it, I don’t agree but its a valid opinion. The whole debate with MB was him insisting when we have lost FOM our right to just up sticks and move to the EU were unchanged and nobody could stop us moving and settling in the EU.

My view is FOM was the one thing, as a remainer, I didn’t think warranted an argument from our side.

We will be able to travel anywhere within the EU completely free for up to 90 days and there after will likely be able to sustain a visa to live.

I also believe that whilst immigration to some level has and is positive towards our economy, we will be able to retain it and furthermore be selective to which professionals come.

Of course I did argue the point, over the last couple of years, the contributions to the economy that EU nationals have made, only against the odd ignorant poster who didn’t think they had but losing FOM of movement, for me, isn’t worth losing sleep.

 

[Metal Biker]

As usual you're changing what you were originally arguing and blaming others for you being wrong.

Well, if people would just understand my position the first time around you wouldn't get confused.

To clarify: I don't believe in the melodramatic hyperbolic language about "not being able to live in the EU from now on". People still can, and will in the future. Might require a few more criteria, might not, but that's no different to wanting to migrate and retire anywhere else in the world. That's how I feel on the matter, and any of this doom and gloom "you've taken my rights" is eye-roll worthy.
If you want to leave, nobody is going to stop you.

There, hope that clears that up.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

People live and work in other countries all around the world. I have an abundance of friends, former colleagues and peers that have settled in North America, New Zealand and Australia.

Sure it will be harder, but I cannot see the Spanish turning permanent tourists down.

Everyone you’re friends with ups sticks and goes to live as far away as possible? Interesting.....

 

[west didsblue]

Well, if people would just understand my position the first time around you wouldn't get confused.

To clarify: I don't believe in the melodramatic hyperbolic language about "not being able to live in the EU from now on". People still can, and will in the future. Might require a few more criteria, might not, but that's no different to wanting to migrate and retire anywhere else in the world. That's how I feel on the matter, and any of this doom and gloom "you've taken my rights" is eye-roll worthy.
If you want to leave, nobody is going to stop you.

There, hope that clears that up.

The only thing that you’ve cleared up is that you have two new favourite words - hyperbolic and melodramatic, both of which could be used to describe most of your own posts.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Again it's the pedantry of the misunderstanding of use of language on here.

Do you honestly think there were leave voters out there who though "ah yes, i'm going to vote leave solely to prevent UK citizens retiring in Europe". No they didn't. If you still want to do that "nobody" is stopping you, nor was it intended for that purpose.

I can only conclude we must be at cross-purposes in some way, since what you keep typing is so bafflingly insanely bonkers, we MUST have our wires crossed.

No-one voted Leave to prevent UK citizens retiring in Europe. Of course not. Why on EARTH would anyone do that, and why on earth would you even type such a thing? Utterly baffling why you should pose such a question. Truly bizarre.

But the effect of us leaving the EU is that many people WILL be prevented from retiring in Europe. That is the unavoidable consequence of Brexit. Many people will be prevented from retiring in Europe. Why do you keep saying "nobody is stopping you"??? When very obviously this is not the case? Many hundreds of thousands of British people will indeed be stopped. Who do you think is stopping the immigration fairy? No, it's the immigration policies of the countries concerned.

 

[Ban-jani]

Everyone you’re friends with ups sticks and goes to live as far away as possible? Interesting.....

It’s my incessant singing of Bluemoon whenever I leave the house until I return, I think.

 

[Metal Biker]

I can only conclude we must be at cross-purposes in some way, since what you keep typing is so bafflingly insanely bonkers, we MUST have our wires crossed.

No-one voted Leave to prevent UK citizens retiring in Europe. Of course not. Why on EARTH would anyone do that, and why on earth would you even type such a thing? Utterly baffling why you should pose such a question. Truly bizarre.

But the effect of us leaving the EU is that many people WILL be prevented from retiring in Europe. That is the unavoidable consequence of Brexit. Many people will be prevented from retiring in Europe. Why do you keep saying "nobody is stopping you"??? When very obviously this is not the case? Many hundreds of thousands of British people will indeed be stopped. Who do you think is stopping the immigration fairy? No, it's the immigration policies of the countries concerned.

Because if that's what they want to do, they can.

Why has this bothered so many people. Slow news day?

 

[joe123]

Because if that's what they want to do, they can.

Why has this bothered so many people. Slow news day?

saying things that are patently untrue on an Internet forum tends to do that

 

[Metal Biker]

saying things that others don't agree with on an Internet forum tends to do that

Bit of an overreaction, ain't it.

A bit like saying brexit has taken away migration rights!

 

[Vic]

Imagine all UK cinemas had a policy that employees had a right to go and work in any UK cinema (TUPE conditions). You could choose to work in any UK cinema. Then Odeon say they've withdrawn from that agreement. But you're perfectly free to try and get a job with Cineworld. You try, and Cineworld say piss off, simply because you no longer are entitled to move (and not just because they know you're an argumentative bugger).

Have Odeon taken any of your rights?

 

[KS55]

I've never seen so many knickers twisted over a simple situation.
After Brexit, UK citzens will lose their automatic right to free movement in the EU.
The new arrangements will be as follows:
Either
1. The EU agrees to a blanket arrangement that defines the rights of UK citizens to live and work anywhere in the EU and defines the rights of EU citizens to live and work in UK. This definition will fall somewhere in the range:
-No rights at all
-Limited rights with defined rules (eg work conditions)
-Complete freedom of movement
Or
2. In the absence of such a blanket agreement, each EU country will set its own rules for UK citizens, in the same range as under 1.
Not all countries will set the same rules.
3. UK will set similar rules for EU citizens coming here.
4. UK citizens currently residing in an EU country and EU citizens residing here will retain their status, subject to the exit arrangements.

Simples......