Crystal Palace (H) - Post Match

cancelo a DEFENDER ? pep a new centre half now .........
I think you'll find when Laporte comes bank suddenly the defenders around him will look good again.

The one player who I think City fans can justifiably be concerned with is Cancelo. Very disappointing buy. Danilo was better. I also have a bit of a concern about Rodri. I am more concerned about the defenisve midfield position at City than centre-back.

If you look at the Palace equaliser it stems not from Stones but Rodri and Cancelo. Rodri lost a midfield 50/50. In fact KDB also loses a 50/50 and then Cancelo i out of position. The only city player who even tries to do his job properly is Stones. But typically City fans follow the herd because Stones gets universal criticism. He is at most partly to blame for a collective failure.
 
I think you'll find when Laporte comes bank suddenly the defenders around him will look good again.

The one player who I think City fans can justifiably be concerned with is Cancelo. Very disappointing buy. Danilo was better. I also have a bit of a concern about Rodri. I am more concerned about the defenisve midfield position at City than centre-back.

If you look at the Palace equaliser it stems not from Stones but Rodri and Cancelo. Rodri lost a midfield 50/50. In fact KDB also loses a 50/50 and then Cancelo i out of position. The only city player who even tries to do his job properly is Stones. But typically City fans follow the herd because Stones gets universal criticism. He is at most partly to blame for a collective failure.

Maybe we just need Fernandinho back in defensive midfield. He's better at it than anyone and rarely loses any 50/50 balls. He reads the game better than Rodri too.

Hopefully with Laporte back to partner Stones all will be well again.
 
At least we didn’t lose, our inability to take our chances was there again today, spunking away chance after chance to score. CP defended well in numbers as most do when they come here, and YET we still try and walk the ball into the net. I dread to think how we will cope with RM if we defend like we did yesterday.
Cancelo was out of position for the last goal, as soon as Zaha picked up the ball he should have been floored. I staggered to believe that our players are so scared of tackling. If that was any other team, Zaha would have been scythed to the ground. Take one for the team and waste a few seconds. I am still furious at our ‘schoolboy’ defending. Cancelo is not doing himself any favours performing like this, and it’s not the first time. No wonder Pep doesn’t play him as often as Cancelo would like. Not sure what the fcuk is going on with Stones, he seems like a shadow of his former self. He might need to move on as it looks like he can’t perform at the standard needed by us.
Merlin, is getting slower by the game. I’m gutted, as in my opinion he’s one of the greatest to ever play in the PL.
Sterling makes my blood boil at times, screaming for the ball, only to balloon it over the bar or smash it into a defenders legs.
We didn't make make clear cut chances. We had a lot of efforts on goal but not many shots on target. I thought we went too often for the easy ball to Mendy. Eventually he got a ball in to Aguero for the 2nd and Mendy had a good game but Gundogam, KDB and David Silva did nothing. Jesus and Mahrez changed the game.
 
Maybe we just need Fernandinho back in defensive midfield. He's better at it than anyone and rarely loses any 50/50 balls. He reads the game better than Rodri too.

Hopefully with Laporte back to partner Stones all will be well again.
Stones is injured again. I hope it is not serious. Stones and Laporte are the only way we win anything serious. Fern is not a long term solution at defensive midfield.
 
The morning after the night before.

Yep, I’m still fucking gutted.

Went to a party last night gutted, I had a drink gutted, i had a laugh gutted, got home gutted, went to sleep gutted, woke up gutted.
 
Jesus and Mahrez have been our 2 best forwards this season - not surprising since they both came back this season from international cup triumphs. They must start against United and Madrid.
Jesus and Aguero maybe with Mahrez right and KDB and Bernardo in the middle.

Our attacking play and potential are outstanding.

I worry more about our inability to defend: defensive midfield and centre-back. If Stones is out, and Laporte is not fully fit we will have a big problem. That really has been our problem all season long. Stones has done nothing this season. Nothing at all but I hold that that is down to injury at lack of a competent partner.
 
The morning after the night before.

Yep, I’m still fucking gutted.

Went to a party last night gutted, I had a drink gutted, i had a laugh gutted, got home gutted, went to sleep gutted, woke up gutted.
There will be good days ahead. Not sure if it will be this season or next.

Liverpool will likely drop a level next season and may lose Mane and Salah at the same time in January next season. That's a potential killer blow. We have effectively had that in our defence all season long.
 
The rule as it currently stands is:
he following ‘handball’ situations, even if accidental, will be a free kick:
The ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand/arm
A player gains control/possession of the ball after it has touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity
The ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger
The ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm)

The following will not usually be a free kick, unless they are one of the above situations:
The ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from their own head/body/foot or the head/body/foot of another player who is close/near
The ball touches a player’s hand/arm which is close to their body and has not made their body unnaturally bigger
If a player is falling and the ball touches their hand/arm when it is between their body and the ground to support the body (but not extended to make the body bigger)
If the goalkeeper attempts to ‘clear’ (release into play) a throw-in or deliberate kick from a team-mate but the ‘clearance’ fails, the goalkeeper can then handle the ball

So I would suggest the referee on the field determined it hit his hand (no doubt there) and that his body was unnaturally bigger. Yes some allowance has to be made for him coming in to block, but his arm is a hell of a long way away from his body, and I can't see how it isn't making his body 'unnaturally larger' - irrespective of the leeway that needs to be given for the position he was taking. Remember as well it wasn't his arm below his body (which is really why the rule is drafted as it is - because its very hard to keep that out of the way) - but the one above. For mine, yes its a harsh call, but under the current handball rules, I think its a penalty every day of the week.

The VAR team obviously didn't buy the 2nd part of that however - but the biggest question is, was it a clear and obvious error on the part of the referee? They trot that line out every single time they need to defend not changing a call, but equally it should be challenged when they do change a call. I think one can mount a reasonable case of evidence to support the referees original decision - therefore, I can't see how it is ever so possibly a clear and obvious error in this case.

After all, one would argue in the Zaha challenge space earlier in the game, that is exactly what they did. One could see some fairly damning evidence to suggest that had it been called a penalty, they wouldn't have overturned it. Hence, one must assume they decided it wasn't a clear and obvious error on the part of the referee.

And we've seen how high the bar of evidence has to be at times - think the outrageous non penalty call on David Silva earlier in the season, when the guy (Accidentally albeit) stomped on his foot and took him out. Easy to understand how the referee missed it in real time, as clear and obvious an error as you'll see, yet they hid behind that to excuse not changing the decision. Its an outrageous 'get out' clause because they attempt at 'objectively' making decisions is still impacted hugely by subjectivity. A lot of that would go away imho if the referee on the pitch was made to look at the screen for any controversial decisions, and ultimately was the final decision maker, as it should be (Beyond blatantly obvious cases where its clear a completely wrong call has been made).

As others have said, they wouldn't turn that over at Klanfield if you ask me.
Great reply mate, many thanks. Just wondering now, does the ref have to accept VAR panel decision, or can he simply think, I am in charge and I believe I was orinially correct so my initial ruling stands?

I agree it could be a career limiting stance
 
The morning after the night before.

Yep, I’m still fucking gutted.

Went to a party last night gutted, I had a drink gutted, i had a laugh gutted, got home gutted, went to sleep gutted, woke up gutted.
Don't tell us the wife's got you up a ladder cleaning the gu...
 
Jesus and Mahrez have been our 2 best forwards this season - not surprising since they both came back this season from international cup triumphs. They must start against United and Madrid.
If we don’t get it sorted Utd will turn 2 goals around against us. Ferdy has not worked in defence all season yet here we are still using him . We all know Rodri as meant to eased into the team but straight away he has had a get on top of it straight away season which rarely works . I like cancelo but it doesn’t look like he is the answer . Stones is finished at city and rightly so but what are we gonna do when kun retires as our main goals are gone . Now that is a worry . As for yesterday’s result well these results happen every weekend and it’s not as if it’s cost us the title as that went during our he Brighton home game so I’m not to bothered about it . One last point Though. There is no point moaning about gundo as pep will continue to play him regardless of what we think Even though though he is shit .
 
Don’t understand why Walker wasn’t picked. Every time I’ve seen City v Palace in recent seasons. Walker has snuffed out any danger with Zaha.
Do you reckon Pep is trying different things out for the long term gain because he knows the league has gone ?

Fair play to Hodgson and Zaha. In previous games, Zaha has ended up going to the other side when Walker has contained him, but yesterday they knew that Cancelo and Stones could be got at and stuck to their plan. I was surprised that Walker was not brought on after we’d taken the lead, but sometimes you need such games and moments to find out more about your players.
 
Wasn't at the game yesterday decided to have acute kidney failure instead so my son went with son in law and took my grandson for his first City game, (we didn't lose so he's not banned from going) had the game on a dodgy stream on my tablet and it really wasn't good for my blood pressure.
 
Wasn't at the game yesterday decided to have acute kidney failure instead so my son went with son in law and took my grandson for his first City game, (we didn't lose so he's not banned from going) had the game on a dodgy stream on my tablet and it really wasn't good for my blood pressure.
Don’t think you missed much... hope you’re fit and well soon
 
All about opinions... I may be in a small minority but I don’t think he’ll ever be good enough post injury... sadly
I know what you mean. For me, his technique is awful. Reminds me of the Aussie batsman, Steve Smith. An unorthodox technique and an aesthetes nightmare and yet he’s a prolific run scorer.
 
I think you'll find when Laporte comes bank suddenly the defenders around him will look good again.

The one player who I think City fans can justifiably be concerned with is Cancelo. Very disappointing buy. Danilo was better. I also have a bit of a concern about Rodri. I am more concerned about the defenisve midfield position at City than centre-back.

If you look at the Palace equaliser it stems not from Stones but Rodri and Cancelo. Rodri lost a midfield 50/50. In fact KDB also loses a 50/50 and then Cancelo i out of position. The only city player who even tries to do his job properly is Stones. But typically City fans follow the herd because Stones gets universal criticism. He is at most partly to blame for a collective failure.

Good analysis of that incident, in terms of the midfielders and Cancelo being poorly positioned and losing the ball, but Stones looked leaden-footed and not for the first time in the game, so it’s understandable that he faces such criticism.

We again have a problem that certain players have played too few games and now find themselves bereft of confidence. They can only regain trust if they are played consistently or used cleverly from the bench. Alas, most of our substitutions tend to involve attacking players, so Stones and Cancelo have even less of a chance of gaining meaningful game time when they’re on the bench.
 
Wasn't at the game yesterday decided to have acute kidney failure instead so my son went with son in law and took my grandson for his first City game, (we didn't lose so he's not banned from going) had the game on a dodgy stream on my tablet and it really wasn't good for my blood pressure.
I’ve been there before but not something like that. 2013 it happened. I met this fine gentleman at rehab. Said he’d never smoked or drank in his life and yet, he had suffered a double heart attack. I was barely listening or interested and then he said rhetorically “Do you know what the problem is?”. I said “No”. He pointed at his mind and said “There’s the problem”. Intuitively, I knew he was right and ever since I’ve been learning to control my mind and let go of anger. It was worth it. I’ve a bit of peace now. Good luck in the days ahead.
 
Calm down. We agree therefore that Pep's not above questioning so that's a start. I also wouldn't disagree that he has some credit in the bank for what he's done the last 3 seasons. But you don't judge managers solely on what they did in the past. Remember when Swales brought Malcolm Allison back?

I'm not one of those who believes that we should be grateful for what we have and not question things simply because we used to be shite. We should, as a club, be focused on what's best for us in the long-term. One of my criticisms of the club in City Matters is that we think too short term too often. Sometimes they fail to lift their heads up and look into the future, because what you want to achieve in the future shapes what you need to do in the short and medium term.

Pep's in his 4th season here and if he stays next season it'll be longer than he's stayed anywhere else. I've always been of the opinion that bar people like Wenger & Ferguson, managers have a shelf life at one club. They get stale, they run out of ideas and the players fail to respond to them. That's what happened with both our last two managers. We don't know yet if Pep is one of those managers.

In each of Pep's three full seasons here, we've moved forward but, for the first time we've gone backwards a little & he's seemingly not getting the best out of some players. The board has a difficult decision to make therefore. Is it a blip and some freshening up of the squad will get us over it, with Pep at the helm? Or is the problem that he's run his course here? Possibly Pep will answer the question himself. He may say he's getting stale and needs a new challenge or he may say he's up to the challenge. If the latter then he has to sign for another 3 years in my opinion as that's what will be needed.

It may be he says he's up for the challenge but Khaldoon, Ferran & Txiki don't think he is. In that case there's a difficult decision to be made. There may not be a better coach than Pep out there but we may have to face the fact that he may not be the best one for us going forward and that we need fresh blood. I really don't think that's being entitled.

I'm completely calm unlike many on here who after a set back completely overreact.

Stones does his job and its a masterstroke by Pep whose subs turn the game around, he doesn't and we need to replace the manager.

What does it say about elements of our fanbase when they want to replace a manager who is 2nd in the league, favourite to win one cup and deep into two others.

He is likely to win SIX domestic trophies on the trot, its fucking madness.

The team needs a slight rebuild, once that is done then Pep can be judged if he is the man to take us forward, not before.

For all the doubters I would be very interested who they think can do a better job, they probably want Mancini back...
 

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