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aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
Just playing with you mate.

I think it's a stretch to take 40% out of that dataset. The only hard numbers you've got are 71% remain 29% leave for 18-24 year olds.
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Well and that 25+ is 46%. Of course the younger people are the more likely they are to vote remain but there’s still a 3rd voting to leave, so it’s disingenuous to say only those without a stake in the economy are voting leave.
 
Ban-jani said:
Well and that 25+ is 46%. Of course the younger people are the more likely they are to vote remain but there’s still a 3rd voting to leave, so it’s disingenuous to say only those without a stake in the economy are voting leave.
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Maybe but I'd say it's disingenuous to say 40% of the youth voted leave as well.

Really 29% is the only number you have regarding the youth. I'd have like to have seen yougov maybe have done 25-35 rather than up to 49, but perhaps they feel once you hit 25 you cease to be classed as part of the youth vote, which may have merit to it.
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
Maybe but I'd say it's disingenuous to say 40% of the youth voted leave as well.

Really 29% is the only number you have regarding the youth. I'd have like to have seen yougov maybe have done 25-35 rather than up to 49, but perhaps they feel once you hit 25 you cease to be classed as part of the youth vote, which may have merit to it.
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Remain Leave
18-24 73% 27%
25-34 62% 38%

Maybe 40% was too high but it’s not far off.

It’s still a significant part and supports my point.
 
Ban-jani said:
Remain Leave
18-24 73% 27%
25-34 62% 38%

Maybe 40% was too high but it’s not far off.

It’s still a significant part and supports my point.
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I'm not a statistician, but...

Using the Ashcroft poll (with its ten-year age breakdown) and assuming that within the 25-34 age range the move from Remain to Leave is a fairly constant move over each year, and assuming a constant birthrate, then I reckon the age at which 40% voted Leave is 32 (then the Leave vote increases with age).

Unless you think 32 is average for "young" (which if you start at 18 would mean "young" covered to 46) your point is not supported.

At the risk of sending the thread on another track of what Remainers think of Leavers, I'd think you could see the greater support among the young declining with age to be not just about age, but related to the greater proportion of the population getting tertiary education. The better educated you are, the more likely you are to get a broader source of information, the more likely to travel abroad, the more likely you are to have a better paid job and therefore less likely to blame immigration for your being in a low paid or precarious job.

But then, I've never trusted statistics that show us the population of Britain broken down by age and sex.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
In that instance those comments were aimed at you, because that's how you were coming across.

The other earlier comments were not and were meant generally, to those who say them. So no "backtracking" here, just another remainer who doesn't initially understand.

That's why it becomes so much easier to hold a discussion when you pay attention.
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If you say so.

How do you think as individuals we can proactively help Brexit be a success?
 
Vic said:
I'm not a statistician, but...

Using the Ashcroft poll (with its ten-year age breakdown) and assuming that within the 25-34 age range the move from Remain to Leave is a fairly constant move over each year, and assuming a constant birthrate, then I reckon the age at which 40% voted Leave is 32 (then the Leave vote increases with age).

Unless you think 32 is average for "young" (which if you start at 18 would mean "young" covered to 46) your point is not supported.

At the risk of sending the thread on another track of what Remainers think of Leavers, I'd think you could see the greater support among the young declining with age to be not just about age, but related to the greater proportion of the population getting tertiary education. The better educated you are, the more likely you are to get a broader source of information, the more likely to travel abroad, the more likely you are to have a better paid job and therefore less likely to blame immigration for your being in a low paid or precarious job.

But then, I've never trusted statistics that show us the population of Britain broken down by age and sex.
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My main point was that to argue that it wasn’t just those that didn’t have a stake in the economy that voted leave and that a significant amount of younger people who need the economy to succeed, also voted to leave.

So when you take that above description and apply it to 32 year olds, who are at 40% leave, it actually backs up my point/argument.

The wider debate was that the economy wasn’t as important to those voting leave as we believed, and I wasted years arguing the economy point and got nowhere, for that reason.
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
Yeah low 30s probably then if you were to combine the two sets
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Please see my post above and refer to the conversation we were having, a few pages back. I merely just want to make the point that for at least a 3rd of young people voting to leave, the economy obviously isn’t that important.

The economy, for me, is crucial and I could lose out because of it. It’s why I’m a remain voter and always will be but I’ve been applying my own position and logic and not empathising properly with what others care about.
 
Ban-jani said:
Please see my post above and refer to the conversation we were having, a few pages back. I merely just want to make the point that for at least a 3rd of young people voting to leave, the economy obviously isn’t that important.

The economy, for me, is crucial and I could lose out because of it. It’s why I’m a remain voter and always will be but I’ve been applying my own position and logic and not empathising properly with what others care about.
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I’m being a bit lazy and skimming this so may have missed a link or explanation but do you know if the economy wasn’t the main factor for a third of young people voting leave, what other factors were cited?
 
journolud said:
I’m being a bit lazy and skimming this so may have missed a link or explanation but do you know if the economy wasn’t the main factor for a third of young people voting leave, what other factors were cited?
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The economy was behind immigration, law making and the money we send them (which you could argue is indirectly linked to the economy but it’s a principle point). Many who voted to leave have said they’re willing to take a dip in the economy to get out of the EU.

We’ve debated the economy for years and got nowhere.
 
mcfc1632 said:
FFS fellas - the die is cast now - we are leaving - time to start supportimg the UK in negotiations rather than the EU
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why? why should I get behind something that I always believed was going to be economically damaging to my country - a view now admitted by the Chancellor of the Exchequer despite the lies told by the Govt? I am not a cult member I will not join you in mass self harm thanks.
 
Vic said:
I'm not a statistician, but...

Using the Ashcroft poll (with its ten-year age breakdown) and assuming that within the 25-34 age range the move from Remain to Leave is a fairly constant move over each year, and assuming a constant birthrate, then I reckon the age at which 40% voted Leave is 32 (then the Leave vote increases with age).

Unless you think 32 is average for "young" (which if you start at 18 would mean "young" covered to 46) your point is not supported.

At the risk of sending the thread on another track of what Remainers think of Leavers, I'd think you could see the greater support among the young declining with age to be not just about age, but related to the greater proportion of the population getting tertiary education. The better educated you are, the more likely you are to get a broader source of information, the more likely to travel abroad, the more likely you are to have a better paid job and therefore less likely to blame immigration for your being in a low paid or precarious job.

But then, I've never trusted statistics that show us the population of Britain broken down by age and sex.
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I think the the Australians get a similar thing with their referenda on the monarchy. It always looks like they are just 10-20 yrs or a generation away from voting for a republic, but by the time each generation gets middle aged it becomes more like the last lot of old fuckers and votes the same way.
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
Again what is it with this cult mentality that all decisions must be supported as if it will somehow make the negations go better with the EU? I really don't get it, it feels very RAWK. Whatever gets posted on bluemoon doesn't affect the political course of this country, not one jot.

If the UK government are potentially engaging in a course that will damage the prosperity of the UK, expect it to be called out by people rather than us all coming together holding hands and singing kumbaya.
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Ha ha - as if some of the continously negative posters on here have the capability to assess and comment on things.
 
PMSL - how can you have any confidence in this bunch of wankers? We are going to be fucked over - by Nissan.....loving the Mackems getting what they wanted lol

 
But people on here really, genuinely hope things will work out...
 
Still waiting for just one “brexpert” to tell us how not aligning regulations with the EU is going to be good for business overall. Apparently there are going to be winners and losers. We know that some of the losers will be car manufacturing, agriculture, pharmaceuticals, construction and aerospace. Can someone tell us who the winners are going to be. Wetherpoons maybe? Pawn shops, pound shops? What else? Fish maybe?
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
But people on here really, genuinely hope things will work out...
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