Crystal Palace (H) - Post Match

[Len Rum]

Can you direct me to that? I assume it's a different thread, because this one is largely knicker-wetting, knee-jerk bollocks and hysteria.

Fcuk's sake you shouldn't have to be directed.
There's plenty of decent analysis on the thread

 

[HarrytheBlue]

I think we’ve been spoilt this last few years mate. We can’t win it every year. For most of my life, I’d have been ecstatic to even be chasing top four.

Since the 70s, we've dreamt of dipping in form to second and being in every comp. Some need to get real.

 

[hilts]

What will sort them?

Another quality centre back to go alongside Laporte and maybe another left fullback(hopefully Mendy can become as good as we hope). In the meantime we need to work with what we have. Once laporte is back I would put rodri in the centre with laporte and a.n. other and put fern back in DM. Don't think we have much chance in the champions league if we don't.

 

[thelongbowman]

a very sad indictment of the season

I guess so but even in our pomp we would be behind the scouse . We are doing ok and are on championship form but they are phenomenal and var has helped them loads.

We really shouldn't beat ourselves up to much you cant win it every year.

 

[thelongbowman]

a very sad indictment of the season

I guess so but even in our pomp we would be behind the scouse . We are doing ok and are on championship form but they are phenomenal and var has helped them loads.

We really shouldn't beat ourselves up to much you cant win it every year.

 

[asahartford1]

There's no inconsistency between those two statements. If there's a fundamental issue leading to underachievement or underperformance and any organisation, not just a football club, feels that the manager is the problem, the best course of action is to sever the relationship and get someone new in, in order to freshen things up. Pep's earned time because of his achievements for us and for his previous clubs. I'm sure he'll see the next season out, then we'll see. If we struggle for top 4 next season then I think most would agree it will be time to look elsewhere. On the other hand, we may win the quadruple.

Let's also look at it another way. Let's assume Pep's says to the powers that be, "I'm definitely not staying beyond next season. But if you want a replacement then I'd recommend you appoint [insert name]." Let's speculate that the name is Pochettino. Now for all the idiots who don't bother to read things properly, I'll put it in capital letters. I'M NOT SAYING POCHETTINO IS A BETTER MANAGER THAN PEP. IT'S JUST AN ILLUSTRATION OF A POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE. OK?

Pochettino is presumably available now, for next season, but might not be in 2021. So the board have to decide whether to approach him now, for him to take over next season and avoid the risk of losing out. So even if Pep is happy to see out his contract and we're happy for him to do so, it still might not be in our interest to let him do that depending on who his successor will be.

I presume you were half pissed writing that ?

 

[HarrytheBlue]

Ha ha, only just seen the Burnley/Leicester score. Some coaches would say 'a point gained....' (tongue half in cheek).

 

[HarrytheBlue]

I guess so but even in our pomp we would be behind the scouse . We are doing ok and are on championship form but they are phenomenal and var has helped them loads.

We really shouldn't beat ourselves up to much you cant win it every year.

You're right on the not being able to win it every year point. Liverpool have been throwing money at it for thirty years and are going to have won it once in all that time. In our pomp, with Vinnie, and without the long term injuries, maybe we'd top this Liverpool team, maybe not. Personally, I'd fancy us. Liverpool play a conventional style, big, physically strong imposing, fast players, very direct. We are the most unconventional team in the history of the game in this country - we hoof it long so rarely we can remember each one over the last few years and even then only as a last resort. We score more goals than Liverpool, have a better midfield, but struggle with defending. We can improve our defending.

Liverpool are a team of today - all their key players 28/29 and at their peak. Our key players are slightly younger with one exception. We keep being told that Pep will leave soon - fair enough he'll have been here five years when his contract ends. Klopp's already been there five years and his wife supposedly wants to move to warmer climes. Things can change quickly.

 

[Eoiyflem]

Ended up being a good point yesterday! Got us another point ahead of Leicester, Chelsea and (hopefully) the rags

 

[OB1]

While i agree with all your points those players are not 4 individuals - they are the backbone of what has been a very successful team.

Finding another manager who wants to play in the way you describe (again completely agree with you it has to be that way) wont be hard - finding one who can do it as succesfully as Pep due to the way he thinks about positional play and how indivduals give certain things to certain positions could be a lot harder than you think.

And while Kun and Fern may well be with us next season - it would be poor planning to be at not least thinking and targeting those to replace them - look at what having no replacement for Kopany has done. it was foolish to think we could manage with two centre halves backed up by an ageing and quite frankly clearly not good enough Ottomendi

When it comes to the backbone of the side: Laporte and KDB are already formidable. I think Rodri can become an outstanding DM for us. We need another world class CB.

We do need to be planning for another striker to come in when Kun goes and to compete with / complement Jesus.

I certainly don't underestimate the difficulty of getting someone who can do those things as successfully as Pep: we won't be able to so we need to the best we can.

 

[cookster]

There's no inconsistency between those two statements. If there's a fundamental issue leading to underachievement or underperformance and any organisation, not just a football club, feels that the manager is the problem, the best course of action is to sever the relationship and get someone new in, in order to freshen things up. Pep's earned time because of his achievements for us and for his previous clubs. I'm sure he'll see the next season out, then we'll see. If we struggle for top 4 next season then I think most would agree it will be time to look elsewhere. On the other hand, we may win the quadruple.

Let's also look at it another way. Let's assume Pep's says to the powers that be, "I'm definitely not staying beyond next season. But if you want a replacement then I'd recommend you appoint [insert name]." Let's speculate that the name is Pochettino. Now for all the idiots who don't bother to read things properly, I'll put it in capital letters. I'M NOT SAYING POCHETTINO IS A BETTER MANAGER THAN PEP. IT'S JUST AN ILLUSTRATION OF A POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE. OK?

Pochettino is presumably available now, for next season, but might not be in 2021. So the board have to decide whether to approach him now, for him to take over next season and avoid the risk of losing out. So even if Pep is happy to see out his contract and we're happy for him to do so, it still might not be in our interest to let him do that depending on who his successor will be.

I respect your opinion on many topics but we ain't gonna agree on this.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

At least Leicester, Chelsea and the rags all lost. We are only playing for 2nd in the League now and having the best manager in world football should help us to achieve that (VAR permitting).

 

[awest]

Flucking shocking defending for both goals. Rubbish.

 

[Greg Stargazer]

Kind of summed up our season. Dominated - 75 per cent possession, 25 shots but conceded 2 from the 5 attempts Palace mustered. VAR wasn’t kind to us and Pep is being a bit stubborn- although some of the criticism is people being wise after the event. Onwards and upwards City. We’d all have taken a point before Kun’s first goal but it’s annoying to turn it around and then throw it away. I honestly think Stones is done. His head is gone for now and he needs taking out of the firing line.

To be honest, I think the jury is STILL out on Stones. Win; lose or draw and City are a pleasure to watch. He lacks aggression and positional awareness to the extent whereby Johnny Evan's would be an upgrade.

 

[mcfcphil]

There's no inconsistency between those two statements. If there's a fundamental issue leading to underachievement or underperformance and any organisation, not just a football club, feels that the manager is the problem, the best course of action is to sever the relationship and get someone new in, in order to freshen things up. Pep's earned time because of his achievements for us and for his previous clubs. I'm sure he'll see the next season out, then we'll see. If we struggle for top 4 next season then I think most would agree it will be time to look elsewhere. On the other hand, we may win the quadruple.

Let's also look at it another way. Let's assume Pep's says to the powers that be, "I'm definitely not staying beyond next season. But if you want a replacement then I'd recommend you appoint [insert name]." Let's speculate that the name is Pochettino. Now for all the idiots who don't bother to read things properly, I'll put it in capital letters. I'M NOT SAYING POCHETTINO IS A BETTER MANAGER THAN PEP. IT'S JUST AN ILLUSTRATION OF A POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE. OK?

Pochettino is presumably available now, for next season, but might not be in 2021. So the board have to decide whether to approach him now, for him to take over next season and avoid the risk of losing out. So even if Pep is happy to see out his contract and we're happy for him to do so, it still might not be in our interest to let him do that depending on who his successor will be.

That’s incredibly arrogant.

People are reading your posts on Guardiola properly - they’re just disagreeing with you.

 

[SVP]

That’s incredibly arrogant.

People are reading your posts on Guardiola properly - they’re just disagreeing with you.

yeah who's the IDIOT?

 

[OB1]

Another quality centre back to go alongside Laporte and maybe another left fullback(hopefully Mendy can become as good as we hope). In the meantime we need to work with what we have. Once laporte is back I would put rodri in the centre with laporte and a.n. other and put fern back in DM. Don't think we have much chance in the champions league if we don't.

Agree about the CB, where we need a brilliant beast.

Mendy is constantly improving so we may actually be OK with him and Zin.

Don't see Fern going back to DM and I don't think that is necessary; especially if we move Bernie into the left sided AMC role.

 

[Wilmslow Road]

Probably been said, but Dippers team every week is the same.
Why the fuck does Pep change the defence every week.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Probably been said, but Dippers team every week is the same.
Why the fuck does Pep change the defence every week.

Probably because none of our defenders show any level of consistency.

 

[balotellishaircut]

Agree about the CB, where we need a brilliant beast.

Mendy is constantly improving so we may actually be OK with him and Zin.

Don't see Fern going back to DM and I don't think that is necessary; especially if we move Bernie into the left sided AMC role.

Can't Garcia be the CB or do we have to splash £60m+ on a new defender, I'm just throwing it out there coz I want the young guys to get a chance.