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joe123 said:
A sign that we're going to go with EU equivalence on services too hopefully.
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Financial Services will be the target. Outside of that not so much. Equivalence will still be step down from what we have currently but it will suit the EU as equivalence is something they control.
 
journolud said:
There you go again with your it’s time to support the uk nonsense. How exactly do we do that and what difference will it make? Is all debate now over and we all just have to accept our lot and get on with it.

You are another that no matter what anyone says has convinced yourself that people want Brexit to fail rather than fear it. Could be a self fulfilling prophecy though and if it does “fail” (I don’t know how we will measure that) you could blame the lack of “support” as a factor
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Sorry - you are just very confused on this IMO

There is a difference between being pissed off that Brexit is still happening and actively hoping for things to go negatively

I am not saying that you are doing that - but some on here certainly are

It is stopping that I was referring to - not expecting people to become cheerleaders
 
west didsblue said:
On to the putative trade deal.

Clearly the ideal outcome from a UK perspective would be full, tariff free, smooth access to all EEA markets for all our goods and services without the bother of having to worry about EU regulations we don't like and without having to allow FoM of labour, whilst being able to control imports to some extent in order to benefit domestic production.

Obviously we're not going to get that. Customs checks are going to slow things down to some extent, tariffs will be imposed on some exports that we can't negotiate into the deal. No idea how the services market will pan out but I'm sure the major companies will have contingency plans for whatever happens which may include the relocation of some operations outside the UK.

So what would be an equitable outcome? A reduction in EEA trade by 3%, 5% or 10%? I don't think anyone thinks it's going to increase as a result of Brexit.

This is supposed to counterbalanced by increased trade with the rest of the world, which realistically means the US, China, India and the rest of the commonwealth that's not already in a deal with the EU. The other major markets already have deals with the EU that we benefit from. We already have trade trade surpluses with the US and India so they are not going to do us any favours in a trade deal. For the US we would doubtless have to accept increased US access to health care and agriculture if we want more access to their markets. For India, the quid pro quo is likely to be freer movement of people to the UK.

What would be a good outcome by the end of the year?
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By the end of the year? 45% less repetitive posting from mard remainers.

That would be a good outcome I suppose although I am an optimist.
 
hilts said:
By the end of the year? 45% less repetitive posting from mard remainers.

That would be a good outcome I suppose although I am an optimist.
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Yeah, cos we all want this forum to just be an echo chamber for you and your bullshitting mates where you can exchange hilarious gifs and do a bit of smug gloating.
Why would anyone want to have a discussion about what might actually happen?
 
west didsblue said:
Yeah, cos we all want this forum to just be an echo chamber for you and your bullshitting mates where you can exchange hilarious gifs and do a bit of smug gloating.
Why would anyone want to have a discussion about what might actually happen?
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I'd say they're all pissed off really after falling for the lies dished up.
 
west didsblue said:
Yeah, cos we all want this forum to just be an echo chamber for you and your bullshitting mates where you can exchange hilarious gifs and do a bit of smug gloating.
Why would anyone want to have a discussion about what might actually happen?
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From July 2016 to October 2019 that's all it seemed to be for those of the remain persuasion.
Whilst we lightened the mood with "hilarious gifs and memes", yours were associated with calling everyone idiots and racists. And you wonder why no-one on the opposite side to you wants to have a discussion about what is to come?

This is a mess of your OWN making, remainers. "Own it".
 
west didsblue said:
Yeah, cos we all want this forum to just be an echo chamber for you and your bullshitting mates where you can exchange hilarious gifs and do a bit of smug gloating.
Why would anyone want to have a discussion about what might actually happen?
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I have amended my forecast to 30%:-)
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
From July 2016 to October 2019 that's all it seemed to be for those of the remain persuasion.
Whilst we lightened the mood with "hilarious gifs and memes", yours were associated with calling everyone idiots and racists. And you wonder why no-one on the opposite side to you wants to have a discussion about what is to come?

This is a mess of your OWN making, remainers. "Own it".
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Wibble.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Sorry - you are just very confused on this IMO

There is a difference between being pissed off that Brexit is still happening and actively hoping for things to go negatively

I am not saying that you are doing that - but some on here certainly are

It is stopping that I was referring to - not expecting people to become cheerleaders
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No I don't think I'm confused, I think you lack clarity in some of your posts. Whatever though, there is a difference between stopping hoping for the worst (which I don't believe anyone is but I can see how you might have reached that conclusion) and actively "supporting the UK". Those are your words and in terms of brexit are meaningless to the outcome.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
From July 2016 to October 2019 that's all it seemed to be for those of the remain persuasion.
Whilst we lightened the mood with "hilarious gifs and memes", yours were associated with calling everyone idiots and racists. And you wonder why no-one on the opposite side to you wants to have a discussion about what is to come?

This is a mess of your OWN making, remainers. "Own it".
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What is a mess? This thread or brexit?
 
BobKowalski said:
Tsk. Very cynical but likely accurate :)
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At least one of the Brexiters on here thinks it's nailed on that the government will tell lie after lie about the progress and result of negotiations. I think he's probably right and it will manifest itself as the softest of Brexits with Johnson and Javid claiming a huge victory for getting us out of the SM, CU and regulatory alignment whereas we will be de facto 80% still in as rule takers, but you'd have to read the small print.
 
west didsblue said:
At least one of the Brexiters on here thinks it's nailed on that the government will tell lie after lie about the progress and result of negotiations. I think he's probably right and it will manifest itself as the softest of Brexits with Johnson and Javid claiming a huge victory for getting us out of the SM, CU and regulatory alignment whereas we will be de facto 80% still in as rule takers, but you'd have to read the small print.
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You mean call it the Single Regulatory and Custom Agreement. And hope nobody notices it's almost the same? Think you're right but not sure how they sneak some form of FOM into it.
 
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