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Vic said:
?? Why is that a "clever" remark rather than an "accurate" remark? You posted a link behind a paywall, but other sources seem to agree that the IMF specified France and Germany, but don't give detail forecasts for the other Eurozone countries. Has anyone found the original forecast?
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He knew that if we outperformed 'our major EU rivals' their weight would, ipso facto, mean we outperformed the EU as a whole. See the IMF graph I posted above which puts it in Eurozone terms.
 
Vic said:
Wow, just wow. It's growth in GDP, not GDP, that's being compared. It doesn't matter what the total GDP is. And you call others thick!
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Who said it was absolute numbers? The poster used the words "grow faster". You really need to be more sensible, if you want to break someone's argument. I tend not to enter these Brexit discussions, because childish arguments like this just spoil them.
 
chedlee said:
So this wasn't you that emboldened this?

"So if you were a car maker in this case, would you want a trade deal with the EU or would you want a trade deal with China? But, just imagine if there was an option for both.... Isn't that the entire goal of Brexit?"

And you added:

"Cannot highlight or stress the intentions in bold enough."
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Am I not allowed to highlight text I agree with the sentiment towards?
You also seem to have omitted the other part that was emboldened. Why is that?

"We need to remember we are leaving the EU, not Europe!". That was what I couldn't "highlight or stress enough".
 
Vic said:
?? Why is that a "clever" remark rather than an "accurate" remark? You posted a link behind a paywall, but other sources seem to agree that the IMF specified France and Germany, but don't give detail forecasts for the other Eurozone countries. Has anyone found the original forecast?
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You will find all the numbers here, with links to more data in the text.https://www.imf.org/external/index.htm
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Am I not allowed to highlight text I agree with the sentiment towards?
You also seem to have omitted the other part that was emboldened. Why is that?

"We need to remember we are leaving the EU, not Europe!". That was what I couldn't "highlight or stress enough".
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Well why didn't you just highlight that bit and not the other bit you highlighted that said that doing a trade deal with the EU and China was, perhaps, the entire goal of Brexit? (my bolding, though it is in itself a very bold statement)
 
KS55 said:
We don't. EU members can trade with whomsoever they like on wto rules. The restriction is on signing a trade agreement which varies these rules.
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Thanks, I did understand that but I didn't understand why the Audi statistic was in there.

And Laim Fox thinks we are all getting fixated on FTAs. Apparently.
 
chedlee said:
Well why didn't you just highlight that bit and not the other bit you highlighted that said that doing a trade deal with the EU and China was, perhaps, the entire goal of Brexit? (my bolding, though it is in itself a very bold statement)
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"Am I not allowed to highlight text I agree with the sentiment towards?" Again, did you not read this part?

So my posts have to align with how you choose to interpret them? Tell you what, next time, why don't you just tell me what to say so you can respond to it in a way you'd prefer?
I've told you what my sentiment was meant to mean.
I don't know what you're attempting to achieve here by going on about the fact you misinterpreted/misread my post.
 
inbetween said:
I don't think anyone will water down trading arrangements because who stands to benefit from that approach? If the EU is willing to force a watered down deal because of politics then how will that benefit EU citizens?

The UK represents 19 smaller EU countries leaving the EU so it is already an almost catastrophic loss for them in terms of its size. A punative trade deal would make it even worse.

If you wanted to sell cars, planes or anything else, would you choose Europe as your target market or the US or China? I know the EU is large but that isn't important because we don't sell to the EU, we sell to countries in the EU. The only way to grow is to target growth in those countries but European growth is flat, absent or shrinking in some places.

I read an amazing statistic the other day, Audi sells more cars to China then it does to the entirety of Europe and it has been growing at blistering pace. Growth in EU car sales meanwhile is actually falling! In some EU countries those sales are so small that they barely register on the map.

So if you were a car maker in this case, would you want a trade deal with the EU or would you want a trade deal with China? But, just imagine if there was an option for both.... Isn't that the entire goal of Brexit?

We just need to remember that we are leaving the EU, not Europe.
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I really don't think you've thought this through.

Using the car industry as an example of why it's a great idea to get out of the EU and get new FTAs with both the EEA and China ignores the fact that the UK car industry relies as much on the fact that we are in the customs union and have regulatory alignment as it does on having full access to the EEA market. All the major car manufacturers in the UK rely on complex supply chains that need seamless logistics across the EU to ensure efficient manufacture due to the fact that many components are not UK manufactured. Do you honestly think that an FTA with China will help Ford, Nissan, Toyota, PSA (who own Vauxhall) ship significantly more cars from the UK to service that market? Those manufacturers have assembly plants all over the world and they're not going to up production in the UK because of an FTA with China or any other major trading bloc. They will already support those markets from plants closer to them, and the additional costs overcoming regulatory and logistical issues caused by leaving the CU and not maintaining our alignment with EU regulations will make the UK the last place they're going to make significant investment. The best case for the UK is that they'll keep those car plants going to service the domestic market. The more realistic scenario is that they'll gradually move production to the continent as models come to the end of their production runs due to the increased costs of manufacturing here.

As for the first part of your post where you say we don't sell to the EU, we sell to individual countries, have you not heard of the single market. Exporting to any EU country requires the exact same paperwork as selling anywhere else in the EEA including domestically, so it can be treated as one market, and that market is much bigger for UK industry than any other.

The fact that you got likes from the two main Brexit bullshitters should be a clue that there was something wrong with your post.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
"Am I not allowed to highlight text I agree with the sentiment towards?" Again, did you not read this part?

So my posts have to align with how you choose to interpret them? Tell you what, next time, why don't you just tell me what to say so you can respond to it in a way you'd prefer?
I've told you what my sentiment was meant to mean.
I don't know what you're attempting to achieve here by going on about the fact you misinterpreted/misread my post.
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Sorry, I misinterpreted/misread your post.
 
Interesting growth estimates from the IMF.
You'd think the Government would be all over them like a rash.
But unfortunately they can't because :
1. They've slagged off experts.
2. They've slagged off economic estimates.
3. The figures are based on an 'orderly' brexit ( whatever that means), which begs the questions as to what would they would be with a disorderly brexit ( a discussion the Government would wish to avoid) AND 'what are the government's own estimates of UK growth and how do they compare to remaining in the EU?' ( figures which the Government won't publish).
Oh what a tangled web.
 
Len Rum said:
Interesting growth estimates from the IMF.
You'd think the Government would be all over them like a rash.
But unfortunately they can't because :
1. They've slagged off experts.
2. They've slagged off economic estimates.
3. The figures are based on an 'orderly' brexit ( whatever that means), which begs the questions as to what would they would be with a disorderly brexit ( a discussion the Government would wish to avoid) AND 'what are the government's own estimates of UK growth and how do they compare to remaining in the EU?' ( figures which the Government won't publish).
Oh what a tangled web.
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I think you will find the government will say the bare minimum from February onwards.
 
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