Keir Starmer

joe123 said:
Yep. Shame, I liked her. Think the left of the party hate her tho, so her dropping out is a worrying sign. Steeling myself to accept its going to be Long Bailey. At which point I'm gonna have to become a Green voter.
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I'm not voting for RLB myself as I think she's cursed from the start but I find this an interesting take given that RLB was the architect of Labour's green new deal in the election campaign which seemed quite roundly applauded by people with Green leanings. Like a lot of traditional Green supporters praised Labour's policies as being better than those of the Greens. I quite like Nandy but Starmer will probably win I think.
 
hilts said:
If we are down to 2 realistically I would have to say Starmer would be the sane choice.
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This is how i see it. I think it may come down to a choice of 3 going to the party with Nandy as well. She basically represents the view that many of Labours heartlands are full of bigoted brexiteers and rather than challenge the BS they should just chalk it down as a lost fight and attack the tories on other issues. Given the Labour party membership is circa 80% remain she will gain about 20% of the vote. Overall I still see Starmer winning. RLB offers nothing other than a new face. Starmer is a bit of a compromise but its should serve as a step in the right direction - bring some sanity back to politics.
 
Gaudion M said:
This is how i see it. I think it may come down to a choice of 3 going to the party with Nandy as well. She basically represents the view that many of Labours heartlands are full of bigoted brexiteers and rather than challenge the BS they should just chalk it down as a lost fight and attack the tories on other issues. Given the Labour party membership is circa 80% remain she will gain about 20% of the vote. Overall I still see Starmer winning. RLB offers nothing other than a new face. Starmer is a bit of a compromise but its should serve as a step in the right direction - bring some sanity back to politics.
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I agree with almost all of that, but to Labour leavers (red wall etc), Starmer, a staunch remainer,was the chief
architect of Labour policy on the issue, and we know how that ended. They should have installed one of the few
Brexit MP's, these voters would almost certainly have flocked back, but alas, they don't seem to learn.
 
Mon Autre said:
I'm not voting for RLB myself as I think she's cursed from the start but I find this an interesting take given that RLB was the architect of Labour's green new deal in the election campaign which seemed quite roundly applauded by people with Green leanings. Like a lot of traditional Green supporters praised Labour's policies as being better than those of the Greens. I quite like Nandy but Starmer will probably win I think.
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I don’t really have anything against her per se, but just feel the writings on the wall already for her. She’ll just be portrayed as Corbyn in a dress (she already is really) and if Labour are serious about winning the next election it surely can’t be under someone who’s gonna be tarred with the Corbyn brush. Would be happy to be proved wrong of course, just feel like RLB is a statement that Labour are not gonna be pragmatic and accept the realities about what is needed to challenge the tories for No 10.
 
joe123 said:
Yep. Shame, I liked her. Think the left of the party hate her tho, so her dropping out is a worrying sign. Steeling myself to accept its going to be Long Bailey. At which point I'm gonna have to become a Green voter.
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It isn't just the left that don't like her.

Self publicising windbag who when put on the spot comes across as lacking in any political credibility.

For a bit of airtime she would cozy up to any fucker from murdoch to rees-mogg, not really what the leader of the opposition should be about.
 
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urban genie said:
It isn't just the left that don't like her.

Self publicising wingbag who when put on the spot comes across as lacking in any political credibility.

For a bit of airtime she would cozy up to any fucker from murdoch to rees-mogg, not really what the leader of the opposition should be about.
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I quite like her friendship with Rees-Mogg, shows that people with different views can get along but I agree with the rest of what you’ve said. She’d be a worse opposition leader than Corbyn.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Hope not mate, a couple of blokes have bunged a few bob on RLB, and I've joined them!
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Yeah - I had a punt - then went again

I am still quietly confident even though Starmer is the odds on favourite

I just cannot see a positive outcome - RLB would be a disaster and doom Labour to another decade of irrelevance - but Starmer seems a bit of an 'empty suit' to me. I cannot see how he will become attractive to the millions of (previous) Labour supporters he needs to attract back to make Labour electable again - and his role in Brexit is enough to mark him down as a proper two-faced fucker and part of this London elite grouping.

It is a proper dichotomy to me - on the one hand I would be utterly against RLD as she represents the continuity of the disaster that was Corbyn/McDonnell - but FFS Starmer - whilst somewhat reflecting a move back to the Centre - is just totally uninspirational

Nandy is the only one that has sounded half-sensible to me - but that is only on the basis of a couple of interviews.

Bottom-line - I cannot see a road back to electability in the next 5 years - I guess Labour will just have to swallow that and target the election in 10 years
 
urban genie said:
Don't onow about starmer, but maybe ask them northerners in salford that keep voting for her why they do
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Well having been born and bred in her constituency - I can state confidently that any fucker representing Labour - no matter their policies and capability would get voted in.
 
Fair play to Jess Phillips for dropping out.

Should mean a few more votes to both Nandy and Starmer rather than RLB, which will hopefully bring the party back from the brink of annihilation.

I don't really know much about RLB tbh but I was looking at the polling figures, and the people who were voting for her were by and large voting for Burgon as deputy so that alone is pretty damning.
 
Fame Monster said:
Fair play to Jess Phillips for dropping out.

Should mean a few more votes to both Nandy and Starmer rather than RLB, which will hopefully bring the party back from the brink of annihilation.

I don't really know much about RLB tbh but I was looking at the polling figures, and the people who were voting for her were by and large voting for Burgon as deputy so that alone is pretty damning.
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Anyone voting for burgon needs their head examining imho
 
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Fame Monster said:
Fair play to Jess Phillips for dropping out.

Should mean a few more votes to both Nandy and Starmer rather than RLB, which will hopefully bring the party back from the brink of annihilation.

I don't really know much about RLB tbh but I was looking at the polling figures, and the people who were voting for her were by and large voting for Burgon as deputy so that alone is pretty damning.
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Comfortable life in Cheshire isn't very good at sums. Used to work pushing Thatchers council house selling bonanza in one of her first jobs.
 
urban genie said:
Anyone voting for burgon needs their head examining imho
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That's quite a lot of members.

According to the polls, he's second although a long-way behind Angela Rayner.

Worse than that was the polling that shown 97% of people voting for RLB thought that Jeremy Corbyn did 'well'.
 
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