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blueinsa said:
Cant be right mate as some of the most vocal business experts on Bluemoon have said it will never happen.

Quite the opposite in fact.
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Some of those 'business experts' have been telling us for 3 years that Frankfurt, Paris and Dublin will replace London as a global hub - so this must be fake news
 
It's obviously really good news as was mentioned yesterday, but let's put it in context - it's a sign that we're going for EU equivalence on financial services, and even the Telegraph say that this will help to "mitigate the economic blow dealt to the City by British institutions moving some of their assets and operations to European financial centres such as Paris and Frankfurt". But as I say, decent bit of news.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Some of those 'business experts' have been telling us for 3 years that Frankfurt, Paris and Dublin will replace London as a global hub - so this must be fake news
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There was never any way that was going to happen, just the same apocalyptic claptrap we were fed on a loop
ever since the referendum, and people didn't fall for it. We are also now experiencing the lowest ever unemployment...
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/unemployment

Cue, ''But we haven't left yet, and Boris is a right ****.''
 
BlueHammer85 said:
your not ‘trying to help’ anyone - your being smug and arrogant.

Brexit will achieve very little and we’ll probably end up rejoining - until then keep pretending you’ve ‘won’ on a forum.
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The name of this thread should be changed to "We won, you lost, get over it trolling thread" to clarify what most of the posts are about on here.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
There was never any way that was going to happen, just the same apocalyptic claptrap we were fed on a loop
ever since the referendum, and people didn't fall for it. We are also now experiencing the lowest ever unemployment...
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/unemployment

Cue, ''But we haven't left yet, and Boris is a right ****.''
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We can all cherry pick stats.

Can't remember if you were one of the "nowt to do with Brexit" crowd who chipped in every time there was news about plant closures and lack of investment in the manufacturing sector. If you were isn't it a bit hypocritical to start crowing about one particular statistic that tenuously backs your argument.

Luckily there's loads of minimum wage zero hour warehouse and delivery jobs going to pick up the slack in the manufacturing sector that have helped the unemployment figures. There will also be loads of public sector jobs coming up to replace the functions carried out by pan-EU organisations. Wonder how they're going to be paid for - more borrowing or higher tax?
 
west didsblue said:
We can all cherry pick stats.

Can't remember if you were one of the "nowt to do with Brexit" crowd who chipped in every time there was news about plant closures and lack of investment in the manufacturing sector. If you were isn't it a bit hypocritical to start crowing about one particular statistic that tenuously backs your argument.

Luckily there's loads of minimum wage zero hour warehouse and delivery jobs going to pick up the slack in the manufacturing sector that have helped the unemployment figures. There will also be loads of public sector jobs coming up to replace the functions carried out by pan-EU organisations. Wonder how they're going to be paid for - more borrowing or higher tax?
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Isn't it only fair to use a stat on employment when the chancellor who backed remain said that within 2 years of a leave vote over 800,000 would have lost their job and when jobs being lost where constantly used to try and revoke?

Its hardly cherry picking mate, it refutes the remain argument on job losses completely.
 
blueinsa said:
Isn't it only fair to use a stat on employment when the chancellor who backed remain said that within 2 years of a leave vote over 800,000 would have lost their job and when jobs being lost where constantly used to try and revoke?

Its hardly cherry picking mate, it refutes the remain argument on job losses completely.
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I'll be interested to see what Remainers will do when the economy ticks along quite nicely after we leave? Words like disaster, catastrophe, recession, have been thrown around and anyone who disagreed labelled an idiot......
 
hgblue said:
I'll be interested to see what Remainers will do when the economy ticks along quite nicely after we leave? Words like disaster, catastrophe, recession, have been thrown around and anyone who disagreed labelled an idiot......
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It will depend what the government does.
If the government are lying and we stay predominantly in regulatory alignment I'm sure the economy will tick along quite nicely. We'll be a rule taker rather than a rule maker though and effectively be in vassalage to the EU but the government won't mention that bit. It will all be hailed a huge success but it will effectively be BRINO. No problem with that.
On the other hand, if the government are actually telling the truth and regulations significantly diverge I don't hold out much hope for a happy ending. We would either end up in vassalage to the US or ultimately become a European sweatshop.
 
west didsblue said:
It will depend what the government does.
If we stay predominantly in regulatory alignment I'm sure the economy will tick along quite nicely. We'll be a rule taker rather than a rule maker though and effectively be in vassalage to the EU but the government won't mention that bit. It will all be hailed a huge success but it will effectively be BRINO. No problem with that.
On the other hand, if the government are actually telling the truth and regulations significantly diverge I don't hold out much hope for a happy ending. We would either end up in vassalage to the US or ultimately become a European sweatshop.
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Interesting, I take the opposite view, that we need maximum flexibility to negotiate effective trade deals with the growing economies outside the EU. The EU is fucked imo, and Brexit provides us with a fantastic opportunity which we need to be free to grasp with both hands.
 
I've just heard on the rowed that the Government have rowed back on the £30k minimum salary for those wanting to come here to work. Anyone got any links?
 
hgblue said:
Interesting, I take the opposite view, that we need maximum flexibility to negotiate effective trade deals with the growing economies outside the EU. The EU is fucked imo, and Brexit provides us with a fantastic opportunity which we need to be free to grasp with both hands.
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You might be right, but leaving the Single Market removes trade deals covering 60% of our total trade covering the 27 EU countries and 60 or so countries that have deals with the EU. Some of those countries (about 20 I think) covering maybe 10% of our total trade have continuity agreements but there is a huge shortfall that we will need to make up, which will be made much easier by predominantly having regulatory alignment with one of the main trading blocs.
 
west didsblue said:
We can all cherry pick stats.

Can't remember if you were one of the "nowt to do with Brexit" crowd who chipped in every time there was news about plant closures and lack of investment in the manufacturing sector. If you were isn't it a bit hypocritical to start crowing about one particular statistic that tenuously backs your argument.

Luckily there's loads of minimum wage zero hour warehouse and delivery jobs going to pick up the slack in the manufacturing sector that have helped the unemployment figures. There will also be loads of public sector jobs coming up to replace the functions carried out by pan-EU organisations. Wonder how they're going to be paid for - more borrowing or higher tax?
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Well, cherry pick the stats that are saying that companies are rapidly decamping to the EU region, cherry pick
those that say we'll be seeing mass unemployment because of Brexit, I simply put up facts that state anything but.
Most jobs being created are not Zero hour, cherry pick a few that say they are, cherry pick the number of financial
companies moving there, cherry pick manufacturing companies that have moved, and we'll compare cherries.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Well, cherry pick the stats that are saying that companies are rapidly decamping to the EU region, cherry pick
those that say we'll be seeing mass unemployment because of Brexit, I simply put up facts that state anything but.
Most jobs being created are not Zero hour, cherry pick a few that say they are, cherry pick the number of financial
companies moving there, cherry pick manufacturing companies that have moved, and we'll compare cherries.
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There you go. Courtesy of google.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/23/companies-collapsed-moved-abroad-since-brexit-10795029/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...b-cuts-eu-no-deal-customs-union-a8792296.html
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/staggering-scale-zero-hour-contracts-20764867
 
blueinsa said:
The criteria should be do we have skills gaps and if the answer is yes, then we allow immigration to take place with those best suited given the spots.
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That would be a change to pre-election suggestions. Was it not Priti Patel that suggested visas would be issued only for those with a £30k p.a job to go into? We have a skill gap for fruit pickers at times during the year but the visa process for that would be timely, expensive and potentially prohibited to the farm
 
Blue Hefner said:
That would be a change to pre-election suggestions. Was it not Priti Patel that suggested visas would be issued only for those with a £30k p.a job to go into? We have a skill gap for fruit pickers at times during the year but the visa process for that would be timely, expensive and potentially prohibited to the farm
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I think it is clear we are moving to an Australia style points based system and i am all in favour of it.
 
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