Another new Brexit thread

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This thread is rapidly becoming pointless now, all we're hearing on a loop is why we shouldn't have left by people
still fired up with anger and frustration.
If it weren't for people fired up with anger and frustration we'd never have left.

So I see what you mean.

But (Shriver again) being right is some small compensation for having lost and if it spoils the party for the winners it may serve some purpose. You don't have to be here.
 
As i quoted on another thread ..... Johnson returns from an extended holiday in Bransons villa on Mustique , Cyrus capital donate £1.7 million to the Tory party .... and all of a sudden the CONservatives and HMRC give Flybe time to pay their tax bill.



Stinks ........
Now this bit I agree with - once he became PM that was ill-advised IMO.

Your post should be in the Johnson thread though as it as nothing to do with the Brexit thread.
 
This thread is rapidly becoming pointless now, all we're hearing on a loop is why we shouldn't have left by people
still fired up with anger and frustration.
Yep - agreed, but.......

The thread should not be pulled though - it would be better if those that 'Remain' fired up with anger and frustration stop bleating and posting irrelevant and spurious bollocks.

There is much to discuss about the next stage(s) of the Brexit journey and it would be good if that could be discussed rather than the thread 'vandalised' by those that are still locked in the 2015/15 campaign mode.

FFS - let's discuss things relevant to Brexit in 2020 and beyond - and stop distracting with anti-Johnson and other spurious bollocks - there are other threads for that.
 
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It is probably just his need to engage with you - it makes him make 2nd and 3rd hand bitchy comments about you.

I have one of those - no matter how he tries - just obsessed with me and cannot do without me it seems
Perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black.

If I want to reference or respond to your posts I will. Your pathetic attempts to paint me as a stalker for responding to posts on a public forum is clear to anyone who reads your shit that you don't like being called out on your bollocks and you're trying to silence me.

I rarely read or respond to your waffle these days because it mostly consists of the same old regurgitated shit repeated ad nauseam, but occasionally when you post something particularly stupid or hypocritical I may comment on it, and when you make these ridiculous suggestions about me being obsessed with you I will set the record straight.

There is only one obsessed person on here and it isn't me. I will respond to any poster I want to and you should be pleased to know that you are way down the list of people I want to engage in discussion with.
 
I don’t think you know what liberalism is. Austerity is liberal economics.
I don't think you know what liberalism is. You talk a lot on here, but there's rarely much substance. I read a fair amount of economics literature in my spare time and I have never once heard austerity described as 'liberal economics' by anyone, until you.
 
https://news.sky.com/story/british-...get-what-they-voted-for-after-brexit-11915978


That sound you can hear is the sad sound of people slowly realising they've been conned.
Again, you've not read the article...

They're "concerned" that the EU will continue to get access to UK fishing waters as part of the trade deal. There is nothing else that indicates they regret their decision or have any other love of remaining in the EU.

However, for a UK fishing industry hoping Brexit will herald a new golden age, there are fears the government will "sell them down the river" in the coming trade negotiations.

"Hopefully it's a big change for the industry; a lot of fishermen are hoping it's going to be a big change," he said.

"We've been sold down the river 40 years ago by [Edward] Heath so we just want a bit of what is ours back."


Reading the sensationalist headline, not the article itself, just another day in the life of IfIonlyhada...
 
Looks like preparation for a soft Brexit. But Jacob it’s a waste of time everything you have said will have been preserved.


That's the middle ground you, and lots of other people want, isn't it?

You don't want to leave with no deal/hard brexit, so what are you complaining about?
 
That's the middle ground you, and lots of other people want, isn't it?

You don't want to leave with no deal/hard brexit, so what are you complaining about?
What's wrong with pointing out the hypocrisy of the more vocal hardline Brexiteers?

I am pleased that it would appear we are heading towards a deal that keeps us closely aligned with the EU. It's disappointing that we will no longer have a say in the direction of travel and will effectively become an EU vassal state, but that is preferable to a becoming Trump's bitch, especially as it seems more than possible that the GOP could gerrymander and cheat their way to another victory in November with the help of the Russians and Fox.
 
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What's wrong with pointing out the hypocrisy of the more vocal hardline Brexiteers?

I am pleased that it would appear we are heading to wards a deal that keeps us closely aligned with the EU. It's disappointing that we will no longer have a say in the direction of travel and will effectively become an EU vassal state, but that is preferable to a becoming Trump's bitch, especially as it seems more than possible that the GOP could gerrymander and cheat their way to another victory in November with the help of the Russians and Fox.
Why do you care? RM is in the minority on what people who voted to leave wanted, and what the remainers who accepted the result and now support leaving the EU want.

Or are we still fighting the 2016 referendum and discussing the "how's and why's" of how people in this country were swayed to vote to leave. Your obsession with that campaign is clearly not something that you'll ever get over.
 
Why do you care? RM is in the minority on what people who voted to leave wanted, and what the remainers who accepted the result and now support leaving the EU want.
I don't particularly, but I've no objection to people pointing out hypocrisy
Or are we still fighting the 2016 referendum and discussing the "how's and why's" of how people in this country were swayed to vote to leave.
Erm, no.
Your obsession with that campaign is clearly not something that you'll ever get over.
Good example of a non sequitur.
 
Load of guff about tendering and procurement but didn't address what I asked about what were the Brexit risks that the Japanese had in mind.

How can you possibly say that they unduly loaded their risk appraisal? If they'd asked you I've no doubt you'd have minimised any risks from Brexit but maybe they asked people who don't bring a pro-Brexit bias to their advice.

I know how you work. Loads of words about stuff in which you claim expertise and assume no-one else has a clue about, but ignore any genuine question about stuff that you don't have a clue about.

If you think you know they've unduly loaded their risks, you must know what the Brexit risks are that they've unduly loaded. Tell us, O wise one.

Utter bollocks

I addressed the detail and content relevant to my post that you replied to

What you seemingly always wish to do is reply to someone's post - not address the content and distract onto some spurious bollocks that you feel is more comfortable for you

That will be because - as I am sure that an increasing number of posters have realised - in your bitterness you have become (IMO) thoroughly and increasingly disingenuous - the rest of your post confirms this.

I still make the effort to reply to your distractions - but mainly to prevent others being distracted and misled by your determination to avoid the thread discussing Brexit related issues

Here is another example:

"If you think you know they've unduly loaded their risks, you must know what the Brexit risks are that they've unduly loaded. Tell us, O wise one."

I could suggest a number of things - but the reality is likely that the Japanese government have introduced an across the board risk factor - e.g. a fixed percentage such as25% - I doubt that the Japanese government have been taking a specific appraisal of the risks associated to this initiative.

But I do not need to invent and speculate stuff which is or may be may be slightly inaccurate or as is your wont - be utter distracting bollocks - the facts are utterly simple and undeniable.

There are/were 4 stakeholders involved at the short-listing stage:

Bidder 1
Bidder 2
Bidder 3 (Hitachi)
The procuring authority

All 4 will have undertaken throughout the procurement thorough appraisals and quantification of risk which will have been updated through their governance arrangements and informed by developing situations. These appraisals of risk will have informed the development of their models - up to the submission and evaluation of final tenders.

They will have been supported in this work by highly qualified professional advisors

As Hitachi appears to have been unsuccessful due to the level in which it priced in the risk - either through Japanese government directive or local bid team assessment - they have clearly inflated the risks higher than the other 3 stakeholders. As their intention was to win the bid then it is pretty clear that their assessment has turned out to be unduly inflated.

For that not to be the case, you would be suggesting that the other 2 bidders have deliberately priced their bids in a manner which would mean that they will make a loss or that the procuring authority has deliberately planned to enter into a contract knowing that they will fail and suffer all the resulting criticism, increased costs and impact to service.

If you think that - then you know even less of these subjects than you have demonstrated so far.

Crack on and embarrass yourself further - but can I point out that my offer to debate with you was predicated on:

".....and if you can demonstrate that you have appropriate experience I would be happy to debate them further with you."

That is not going well and I have better things to do with my time
 
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I don't particularly, but I've no objection to people pointing out hypocrisy

Erm, no.

Good example of a non sequitur.
Yeah but to who are you pointing it out to?

Likeminded people like yourself who still feel they're "fighting" to stay in the EU? There has to be some purpose in bringing it to people's attention beyond saying "what a hypocrite!".

The European Parliament is voting on the British WAB today, with a likely ceremony for the departing UK MEP's. I would have thought the attention would be more on that.
 
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