Keir Starmer
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Lets look at the contenders...
Starmer - Londoner, responsible for the party's Brexit Policy. Will be as popular as a fart in a tin in the Black Country and places further north where Labour got a good kicking.
Long Bailey - Political Lightweight. Continuity Corbyn. Will be a popular as a fart in a tin in the Black Country and further north if she fails to change the policies that Corbyn was pushing.
Thornberry - As popular as a fart in a tin outside London. Still, unlikely to get on the ballot without Union backing.
Nandy - Says things have to change but so far there is no difference to Corbyn policies. Probably the best bet to challenge Johnson, but may be as popular as a fart in a tin with the electorate when she commits to policies. As she is Schrodinger's fart in a tin, best to vote for her. The rest have no chance.
In reality, Johnson will probably win the next election at a canter.
Starmer - Londoner, responsible for the party's Brexit Policy. Will be as popular as a fart in a tin in the Black Country and places further north where Labour got a good kicking.
Long Bailey - Political Lightweight. Continuity Corbyn. Will be a popular as a fart in a tin in the Black Country and further north if she fails to change the policies that Corbyn was pushing.
Thornberry - As popular as a fart in a tin outside London. Still, unlikely to get on the ballot without Union backing.
Nandy - Says things have to change but so far there is no difference to Corbyn policies. Probably the best bet to challenge Johnson, but may be as popular as a fart in a tin with the electorate when she commits to policies. As she is Schrodinger's fart in a tin, best to vote for her. The rest have no chance.
In reality, Johnson will probably win the next election at a canter.
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Ardwick Green Blue
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The bizarre thing is (or maybe not) will be the absence of Labour supporters telling you that you are full of shit before listing numerous reasons why one or more of the candidates are fantastic.
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I've voted Labour in the past. I would have voted for Smith and did vote for Blair (twice). But this shower? Maybe Nandy if she puts Momentum in their box, but that's unlikely.
Without my vote, and others like me, they are unlikely to win the next election.
Perhaps they realise the truth of this.
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Ardwick Green Blue
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Calling all Labour supporters to the thread...all Labour supporters to the thread please....
Edit: After 10 hours of no responses I think we can safely assume that Labour supporters have the same opinion about the candidates as non Labour supporters like me....that they are all fucking useless and none of them has the slightest chance of winning the next election.
Edit: After 10 hours of no responses I think we can safely assume that Labour supporters have the same opinion about the candidates as non Labour supporters like me....that they are all fucking useless and none of them has the slightest chance of winning the next election.
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Watched a programme on BBC2 last night... The 80's With Dominic Sandbrook.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07n7gtn
Anyway, he covered the situation with the Labour Party following the '79 election defeat (29:30 for a few minutes). The similarities with what's going on now are astonishing.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07n7gtn
Anyway, he covered the situation with the Labour Party following the '79 election defeat (29:30 for a few minutes). The similarities with what's going on now are astonishing.
The Labour Leadership contest is so stacked with losers Johnson might be tempted to all an early GE - in spring 2020 - just to increase his majority;-)
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Next time Labour, put Dan Jarvis on the ballot. Clearly patriotic and talks sence. Would be a serious challenge to Boris.
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Starmer is the best option. Nandy is a brexit apologist, the last thing Labour needs during the course of BJs disastrous brexit negotiations. Leavers assume brexit will be great and Boris will be a shoe in - brexit will not be great and that will be the context of the next election.
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Hardly a ringing endorsement but at least someone who supports Labour has finally replied :)
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I'm feeling a bit detached from it, and I'm wondering whether I should rejoin the party to get more involved, but from everything I've seen and read it has to be Starmer. Unfortunately none of the others are inspiring much confidence, which is a shame, as I would like to see a female leader.
If it is Starmer it gives Johnson more of a problem, I think. Starmer is cleverer and more assiduous, and he will regularly skewer Johnson and expose him for the liar and bullshitter that he is. His biggest problem is that he's a little dull and comes with the liberal, metropolitan baggage, although Blair got over that.
If he wins he needs to surround himself in the shadow cabinet with the best and most enthusiastic Labour MP's, not time servers, or friends, or acolytes, and give them time to master their briefs. The further he can break with the cultish aspects of the last few years the better.
If it is Starmer it gives Johnson more of a problem, I think. Starmer is cleverer and more assiduous, and he will regularly skewer Johnson and expose him for the liar and bullshitter that he is. His biggest problem is that he's a little dull and comes with the liberal, metropolitan baggage, although Blair got over that.
If he wins he needs to surround himself in the shadow cabinet with the best and most enthusiastic Labour MP's, not time servers, or friends, or acolytes, and give them time to master their briefs. The further he can break with the cultish aspects of the last few years the better.
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Agree with the first bit. This concept that Labour needs a female and not someone who is a London Liberal elite is 100% driven by the Corbyn wing. Its basically framing RLB who they have backed with all their chips. The idea that voters will shy away from Starmer as he is from London is rubbish given the alternative is BJ who could not be more London Elite.
Starmer gets brexit - he knows the detail and will take BJ to pieces on it once it hits the rocks. That is the course of action that I think the Labour party members will want to take. Nandy is the soft brexit / not make it a big deal option that might have played out better than JCs approach but I dont think it helps now. I would imagine that BJ will make a right mess out of brexit and will come up with a shocking deal - Labour policy will be quiet simple - do a better / closer aligned deal that will be better for jobs. How they will get on is 100% linked to how much of a mess BJ will make out of brexit. So far its going very badly.
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The next leader much like the last will be a puppet with McCluskeys hand up their arse and momentum above pulling the strings.
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Don't think so matey, unless it's RLB of course.
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It is her, she has won already.
Ardwick Green Blue
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Unfortunately I don’t think she will win. Labour has peered into the abyss and decided not to jump head first into it. Starmer will win and he’s the best of a very mediocre bunch.
That's exactly what we need. It's worked for Johnson.
Ardwick Green Blue
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Wrong. Starmer.