COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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Psychedelic Casual said:
Plus you can touch the virus on a door handle and put your fingers near your mouth hours later and you’d catch it.

A mask is going to do sod all for that.
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Researchers still don’t know exactly how long this novel coronavirus can survive on non-host surfaces — coronaviruses usually can’t survive more than a few hours in that scenario — but there is some evidence that the R0 is higher because it may be able to survive a bit longer than previous viruses.
 
Infected people quarantined in their homes, local authorities blockading highways to stop travel, trade & the economy disrupted, doctors making heroic efforts to treat patients then catching the sickness themselves and dying of it, panic making people resort to desperate & absurd remedies. ... All documented responses to the last outbreak of bubonic plague/Black Death in England in 1665. Samuel Pepys complained that the trade in wigs had stopped as they were made from human hair, in Paris it was said that the rich fled, leaving the poor to die, in many places in Europe the Jews were blamed for the disease, while in Italy a doctor recommended hanging live toads round the neck as a sure way to ward off infection. We've moved on since then....
 
AliBobbyJ said:
Infected people quarantined in their homes, local authorities blockading highways to stop travel, trade & the economy disrupted, doctors making heroic efforts to treat patients then catching the sickness themselves and dying of it, panic making people resort to desperate & absurd remedies. ... All documented responses to the last outbreak of bubonic plague/Black Death in England in 1665. Samuel Pepys complained that the trade in wigs had stopped as they were made from human hair, in Paris it was said that the rich fled, leaving the poor to die, in many places in Europe the Jews were blamed for the disease, while in Italy a doctor recommended hanging live toads round the neck as a sure way to ward off infection. We've moved on since then....
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Yep. What were we thinking listening to Italian doctors?
 
Ban-jani said:
I work with an ex nurse who believes they are only good in the very short term and if you don’t change it regularly, it can have the opposite effect and make things worse.

If it becomes an epidemic here I can anticipate a limit on how many you can buy and people potentially fighting over them.

Hopefully it won’t come to that.
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The masks that people buy do nothing at all,they have to medical grade that hospitals use as they seal properly,it's a real false sense of security
 
I think the best thing anyone could buy right now is tinned foods, water and frozen fruit. I was at a retail short and they expect there to be some impact on foods for Christmas 2020 as they order/build now in China. I suspect supply chains of food will be affected very soon in Europe. Worse case you just eat the foods a few months later

If this keep creeping up it could be a couple of hundred cases by the end of the week the UK and a 1k by the end of the month.
 
UUJblue said:
I think the best thing anyone could buy right now is tinned foods, water and frozen fruit. I was at a retail short and they expect there to be some impact on foods for Christmas 2020 as they order/build now in China. I suspect supply chains of food will be affected very soon in Europe. Worse case you just eat the foods a few months later

If this keep creeping up it could be a couple of hundred cases by the end of the week the UK and a 1k by the end of the month.
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Waste of money, just wait for social order to break down and take whatever you need by force.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Pointless is a bit strong. They must mitigate the risk to some extent.
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They might create a high concentration of the virus in a nice moist condition leaving the mask through leakage or improper disposal, potentially making it worse. Only when used in conjunction with proper hand washing and disposal do they become useful so almost pointless outside of a healthcare setting.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/dis...9/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks
 
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TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
Surgical masks are pointless, they don't stop the spread of the virus, you need a mask that covers the eyes as well.
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Psychedelic Casual said:
Plus you can touch the virus on a door handle and put your fingers near your mouth hours later and you’d catch it.

A mask is going to do sod all for that.
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
Pointless is a bit strong. They must mitigate the risk to some extent.
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karen7 said:
The masks that people buy do nothing at all,they have to medical grade that hospitals use as they seal properly,it's a real false sense of security
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TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
They might create a high concentration of the virus in a nice moist condition leaving the mask through leakage or improper disposal, potentially making it worse. Only when used in conjunction with proper hand washing and disposal do they become useful so almost pointless out and about of a healthcare setting.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/dis...9/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks
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@TheRemainsOfTheDave is correct.

General findings are that the general use masks are helpful in reducing pathogen transmission through droplet dispersion by the person wearing it, but only if regularly replaced and coupled with constant hand washing (as people still constantly touch the masks as they do their faces).

There is very little to no evidence that they protect against violent aerosol dispersion (sneezing/coughing) of pathogens, either for the wearer or those around them, and can actually increase transmission if not used properly (i.e not disposing of them properly, sharing masks, or not regularly washing your hands).

They are primarily used in medicine (consultation, surgery, etc.) to reduce transmission through (non-aerosol) fluid exchange and to make patients feel better about the cleanliness of the treatment space (which, believe it or not, is actually somewhat impactful on recovery rates). There are specialised masks that are more effective, but those are not widely available and tend to be very expensive.

Coughing/sneezing in to your elbow away from other people, constant proper hand washing, and quarantining yourself when you think you may be sick are still the best methods of hindering transmission, short of wearing a hazmat/bio hazard suit and going through constant decon procedures.
 
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