Keir Starmer

Fame Monster said:
I tend to agree. I thought it would hold him back but now I think it will be water under the bridge for most in 5 years time.
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Water under the bridge is an optimistic assessment. Tories will make a right mess of it and will inflict significant economic damage. Brexit was always an exercise in blame and denial. But once you do it you get that thrown back in your face. Johnsons government will be 100% responsible for what comes of it and there can be no denial he will have to own it and everything he said in the build up. Johnson was the one that told us that any negative consequence was project fear. Lets see how that plays out.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
This is the problem, each and every candidate is not the right fit, Starmer won't be forgotten in 5 years by
Northern voters, RLB is just Corbyn without the tackle, Thornberry is just a patronising, smug, hypocrite.
They have totally misread the electorate, yet again, and will not be in power for years.
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Don’t agree Re Starmer. Let’s see how Brexit pans out after the transition period shall we? If it’s a roaring success then I’m sure Labour won’t win the next election no matter who is leader. But who knows what the landscape will look like then? If Brexit doesn’t go well and the economy is shot and unemployment ion the rise then I doubt people will be voting against Starmer on the basis that he said leaving the EU was a bad idea 5 years previously, He’s left of centre but moderate, he’s intelligent and articulate. If things don’t go well in the 4 years after transition period I think he’d give Labour a good chance of winning. Unlike Long Bailey who, like Corbyn, wouldn’t stand a chance in this country no matter what the political landscape.
 
Gaudion M said:
If you are a frothing brexiteer then none of them are going to appeal to you. But don't forget that EU supporting parties held the majority share of the vote in the last EU elections and the general election, the issue for Labour was that they had an awful leader and no clear way out of the brexit mess at that time. That will be different in 5 years. And we will just have to see how much of a vote winner brexit will be next time? BJ already banning the use of the word gives you a clue.
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I voted Remain. I simply happen to believe that democracy is important and votes must be upheld
 
Ban-jani said:
‘State of vegetation’ is probably what she meant which is used by professionals. She’s used ‘vegetable’ because that’s what a lot of people use, without trying to be offensive.

It’s painfully unimportant.
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It's call vegetative state,i'm not sure it is fair to expect everyone to know it,practicaly a vegetable was comonly used but we are passed that now,it,s one of those things easy to get wrong
 
Gaudion M said:
If you are a frothing brexiteer then none of them are going to appeal to you. But don't forget that EU supporting parties held the majority share of the vote in the last EU elections and the general election, the issue for Labour was that they had an awful leader and no clear way out of the brexit mess at that time. That will be different in 5 years. And we will just have to see how much of a vote winner brexit will be next time? BJ already banning the use of the word gives you a clue.
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There was a major party that campaigned on scrapping Brexit, they ended up with their leader out of a job.
If I wanted to stay in the EU, I'd have voted for them.
Plus, the assertion that if you add up all the losers you get the winner is nonsense, Labour supporters were certainly not
all remainers, as we've just seen.
 
Something (a lot of things) about Starmer just screams out to me that he is an entirely London centric, duplicitous and self-serving ****. Seems to be a Tony Blair wannabe to me

At a time when there are so many hard-left Labour supporters spewing vitriol over all the threads in this sub-forum it seems strange that the thread to discuss the leadership of their own party is left alone - I would have expected the purists to be all over the thread screaming their indignation

#notinmyname

#poundlandTonyBlair

etc. is what I was expecting

Makes me question their sincerity TBH - and think that they are all just comfortable being serial protestors
 
The problem for labour is they need to win back the seats in the midlands and north - leave voting areas. To have any chance of winning an election. Don’t really see how starmer helps with that.

very weak candidates and a party that’s been taken over by Posh Londoners
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
The problem for labour is they need to win back the seats in the midlands and north - leave voting areas. To have any chance of winning an election. Don’t really see how starmer helps with that.

very weak candidates and a party that’s been taken over by Posh Londoners
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They also need to win back (or win seats) in Scotland.

If only they had a candidate for deputy leader from Scotland who had the foresight to see that Corbynism was pie-in-the-sky, fantasyland, unelectable nonsense. Oh wait they do. But Blair (and Brown) has backed him so that's the death knell for him.
 
Lovely.

40 MPs elected on a Corbyn manifesto are dictating to the members they will leave the party if RLB is elected leader. Nothing to do with her plan to make all MP's face automatic reselection every GE.

Self centered pricks.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
The problem for labour is they need to win back the seats in the midlands and north - leave voting areas. To have any chance of winning an election. Don’t really see how starmer helps with that.

very weak candidates and a party that’s been taken over by Posh Londoners
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can't the leader decision be put off until the Brexit shit storm hits?
 
mat said:
Lovely.

40 MPs elected on a Corbyn manifesto are dictating to the members they will leave the party if RLB is elected leader. Nothing to do with her plan to make all MP's face automatic reselection every GE.

Self centered pricks.
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40 MP's lucky to have a job despite Corbyns manifesto is what you actually meant to say.

They dont want RLB, McCluskey or momentum because its utterly unelectable it is that simple.
 
Fame Monster said:
https://labourlist.org/2020/02/starmer-announces-he-would-keep-labour-pledge-to-scrap-tuition-fees/

Starmer showing again that he is very much on the left of the Labour Party in case anyone was under any illusions.

This will no doubt increase his chances of becoming Labour leader but not sure it increases his chances of becoming Prime Minister.
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Starmer will say literally anything he thinks will grab him a few votes and changes his politics more often than his socks.
 
mat said:
Lovely.

40 MPs elected on a Corbyn manifesto are dictating to the members they will leave the party if RLB is elected leader. Nothing to do with her plan to make all MP's face automatic reselection every GE.

Self centered pricks.
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I think the automatic re-selection thing is a bad idea tbh. Just looks bad, and will be portrayed as the left taking further control of the party. Really not a battle that needs fighting at the moment.
 
bumbleblue said:
Feels like the Labour Party is eating itself at the moment.
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The left will always eat itself.

Who’d have known over-campaigning and manipulating the social situations involving every single minority in the West would end up in cross over and conflict between these groups?
 
blueinsa said:
40 MP's lucky to have a job despite Corbyns manifesto is what you actually meant to say.

They dont want RLB, McCluskey or momentum because its utterly unelectable it is that simple.
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Agree - Corybn was and is a disaster for Labour. The hard left give it a 6th form A level politics course look and feel. Lots of big ideas and optimistic thinking - zero appeal to big chunks of the traditional labour vote, moderates from all walks of life and social standing not just the working class labour voters the media default to.

joe123 said:
Good. Labour needs someone who thinks about winning elections rather than arguments.
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Fully agree, Johnson is a complete twat, Labour should focus on someone who can re balance the party to appeal to the majority of the public who consider him a national embarrassment.
 
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